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      I had the innovate LC1 first...but fried for some reason within 2 months(still dont know why) so I replaced it with the AEM unit and never had another problem...and as for analog vs digital, you definately want digital...analog takes way too long to get a good reading(it changes very quickly sometimes)......................... out of all the gauges though, a digital AFR is the most distracting
      my AEM has been reliable as well, 3+ years so far. I despise digital, but in this case it's very useful as the slightest adjustment of the idle mixture screws can produce a dramatic change in the a/f ratio reading. That said, I'm tempted to try the AEM analog read-out gauge to see how it compares. Summit has a lower price than buying from AEM.

      Analog Wideband Air / Fuel Gauge - Wideband O2 UEGO, X-WiFi, EMS Series 2, Engine Management, F/IC, Tru Boost, Gauges, and more Automotive Performance Electronics

      AEM Power 30-5130 - AEM Power Analog Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com

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      "..........I'm going to try some modifications this winter to the Double pumper I found on a web site to get a little better mileage.
      well. . . . share the wealth, what web site?

      I very good investment is a wideband air/fuel ratio gauge permanently installed in an easy to see location, it's amazing to see how much leaner a carb can be safely tuned. The $200 spent will save you hours of carb (and timing) tuning.

      analog
      AEM Power 30-5130 - AEM Power Analog Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com

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      digital
      AEM Power 30-4100 - AEM Power Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com

      also having a vacuum gauge helps to inform the driver when his foot is too far into the throttle.

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      well. . . . share the wealth, what web site?

      I very good investment is a wideband air/fuel ratio gauge permanently installed in an easy to see location, it's amazing to see how much leaner a carb can be safely tuned. The $200 spent will save you hours of carb (and timing) tuning.

      analog
      AEM Power 30-5130 - AEM Power Analog Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com

      or

      digital
      AEM Power 30-4100 - AEM Power Digital Wideband Air/Fuel UEGO Gauge Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com

      also having a vacuum gauge helps to inform the driver when his foot is too far into the throttle.

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      Yes it is amazing what can be learned with one of these devices. Innovate Motorsports has a site with a lot of in depth carb tuning info using a wideband. I've been playing around with one this summer on my 460 with a Holley 950hp. You would think that when you buy a new carb that the calibration would at least be in the ball park? Wasn't in my case and in many others.

      I bought a wideband and about 40 bucks worth of taps, drill bits and brass set screws and I'm having a ball!.
       
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      is there a tutorial on how to use that gauge?
      I have good results by following these guidelines:

      idle: as lean as the engine will tolerate and still idle smoothly. In my car thats about 13.7 to 14.0 depending on the ambient air temp.

      just off idle at a steady cruising speed: low rpm and low engine output. Here is where you can run pretty lean w/o any ill effects, and get those mpg numbers up. At least 14.7 to 15.2

      increased load: like in going up a long incline at a steady speed, 13.75 to 14.25

      acceleration & wide open throttle: best horsepower is made around 13.5

      I am using this gauge: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AVM-30-4100/

      I'm not liking the digital readout, as it doesn't really fit in with the other gauges. At some point I'm going to put in the analog version:
      http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AVM-30-5130/

      cold engine at idle:


      full acceleration:






      hope this helps,

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      ".......... I know how extremely important a/f tuning as well as distributer (ignition) tuning is on these non computer controlled cars is, and I don't have the time, patience, or knowledge to figure it all out.
      why not install an a/f meter in the cockpit and you will always know if the carb mixture is in the ballpark.

      analog dial: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-5130/overview/

      digital dial: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-4100


      I've used the digital model for years. It has saved me countless hours when troubleshooting various carb and ignition issues. I do wish I'd bought the analog version, the digital one just doesn't blend in with a '60's era instrumentation.

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      Thanks for all of the info folks.. Al makes sense.

      I was thinking of going with an analog style and was looking at the AEM 30-5130
      http://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-5130/overview/


      I would recommend this one:

      http://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-4100/overview/

      The analog meter looks cool but if you've ever tried to watch the meter when winding out in 2nd gear it's a WHOLE lot easier to read the digital meter (with big, bright, exact numbers) than the analog (with a small needle moving across small numbers with small divisions).

      Also, I have some datalogging software I wrote for the AEM meters (at least it works for the 30-4100). I'll give you a copy if you want to use it. You'll have to wire the RS-232 from the meter to your PC or to an RS-232 to USB adapter to use it (output is RS-232 from the meter). PM me if you're interested.

      The AEM 30-4100 is a great meter, and as others have noted, you only need one.
       
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