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Here are some pictures. The fan clutch won’t actually go on all the way which a little bit of lubricant could do the trick, don’t you think? And what does everyone think of how much space there is? I don’t think it should be too close to the radiator but if it’s too far then it won’t cool it enough. Like I said the radiator wings came bent like that.. does that effect anything and if so can I fix it? Tell me if you need different angles please, thank you all again
 

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you might be happier with a 16" Electric puller
Hm... I might have to go with that as it seems the better option. Do you think there’s any way I can fit what I have right now in? Maybe if I use old fan clutch and get a smaller fan shroud? If not I might go electric.
 

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I will measure the space between the radiator and where the clutch is supposed to go when I get the chance... I have basketball in a little bit so maybe after.
Does this look like a good fan though?

https://www.cjponyparts.com/scott-drake-electric-fan-and-shroud-kit-1965-1966/p/FAN41/
Good fan ,probably to thick to fit. I have a universal 16" Imperial pretty low profile.
I only have a 2 row Champion #340 67 style in my 66. I only need the fan idling stop light to stop light or waiting in line at an autox.
 

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Good fan ,probably to thick to fit. I have a universal 16" Imperial pretty low profile.
I only have a 2 row Champion #340 67 style in my 66. I only need the fan idling stop light to stop light or waiting in line at an autox.
So do you have a manual switch for the fan or is it automatic? I have heard that manual switch for it is a bad idea as you're bound to forget and overheat eventually. I think the space is about 3 inches I'll check to make sure tomorrow but could you help find an electric fan that would fit in that space that works just as well please?
 

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So do you have a manual switch for the fan or is it automatic? I have heard that manual switch for it is a bad idea as you're bound to forget and overheat eventually. I think the space is about 3 inches I'll check to make sure tomorrow but could you help find an electric fan that would fit in that space that works just as well please?
Toggle switch to a relay ,,YMMV
 

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First, tape a piece of cardboard to the radiator with blue or green masking tape to protect it while you are fitting things, its already getting ginked up.



Try sanding the mating surfaces of your fan and water pump to see if there is crap keeping it from seating. Clean out the hole in the fan well, a drill with a small wire brush, otherwise emery cloth and fingers and implements of distruction. It looks to me like it should work if you can get it to seat. You are likely to be able to get away without the shroud since you have a 4 row and the shroud is likely not to sit right. It's supposed to end with half the fan in and half out, that shroud looks too deep for your application given where your fan will end up. As long as there is clearance to the radiator, at least a half inch or so between the fan and radiator you will be fine. You should be able to get on the road unless its 110 degrees and your running a/c. From there you can work it.



Seems like all your problems go away with the right radiator but it may be too late with scars on the fins.



IMHO (In my humble opinion) avoid an electric fan unless you are finally driven there, they require a lot of research to get the right one and a PITA to wire correctly. There is an overheat thread where someone put several different fans on trying to get it right. I personally think in a vintage car, there is nothing cooler than a mechanical fan on the front of the motor - old school but that's just me - old school!


What are you running for wheels, if they are stock and you are running an original diameter steering wheel, you should be fine with manual steering, just get used to turning while rolling and given your football training - you should be golden, same with power brakes. My car never had power anything and was driven by a little old lady for 35 years.



Just remember that when you grow old, you will always rue the day you sold that car and remember it fondly. You will come up to us owners and have fond memories in your eyes as you tell us in the gas station of your first Mustang. You may be one of the unfortunate souls that show up here trying to trace down their first Mustang. Seems like everyone with a little grey in their hair has a Mustang story that just needs to be told when they see one on the street - I'm jus say'n...


Welcome to the sickness/hobby, take your time and do things right once, going half asp gets you hood up on the side of the road with a big L on your forehead - enjoy the build, its part of the hobby, not just a means to an end...


Good luck
 

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Congrats on the car! You will find lots of great help here on VMF, these guys really know their stuff and are always willing to help. Good luck getting her back up to speed.
 

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First, tape a piece of cardboard to the radiator with blue or green masking tape to protect it while you are fitting things, its already getting ginked up.



Try sanding the mating surfaces of your fan and water pump to see if there is crap keeping it from seating. Clean out the hole in the fan well, a drill with a small wire brush, otherwise emery cloth and fingers and implements of distruction. It looks to me like it should work if you can get it to seat. You are likely to be able to get away without the shroud since you have a 4 row and the shroud is likely not to sit right. It's supposed to end with half the fan in and half out, that shroud looks too deep for your application given where your fan will end up. As long as there is clearance to the radiator, at least a half inch or so between the fan and radiator you will be fine. You should be able to get on the road unless its 110 degrees and your running a/c. From there you can work it.



Seems like all your problems go away with the right radiator but it may be too late with scars on the fins.



IMHO (In my humble opinion) avoid an electric fan unless you are finally driven there, they require a lot of research to get the right one and a PITA to wire correctly. There is an overheat thread where someone put several different fans on trying to get it right. I personally think in a vintage car, there is nothing cooler than a mechanical fan on the front of the motor - old school but that's just me - old school!


What are you running for wheels, if they are stock and you are running an original diameter steering wheel, you should be fine with manual steering, just get used to turning while rolling and given your football training - you should be golden, same with power brakes. My car never had power anything and was driven by a little old lady for 35 years.



Just remember that when you grow old, you will always rue the day you sold that car and remember it fondly. You will come up to us owners and have fond memories in your eyes as you tell us in the gas station of your first Mustang. You may be one of the unfortunate souls that show up here trying to trace down their first Mustang. Seems like everyone with a little grey in their hair has a Mustang story that just needs to be told when they see one on the street - I'm jus say'n...


Welcome to the sickness/hobby, take your time and do things right once, going half asp gets you hood up on the side of the road with a big L on your forehead - enjoy the build, its part of the hobby, not just a means to an end...


Good luck
Thank you.. wise words. I can't foresee the future but I hope to keep the car in my family even after I am dead, hopefully even if there are flying cars if that ever happens. I am thinking of keeping the diameter the same for the wheels just changing the look a little bit right now. Currently, they look like spare tires without the caps on haha. The steering wheel is a different problem but it should be fine. Whoever the PO was messed with things and, as I said with the horn, they also put a GT steering wheel on it and I don't know why. I replaced with an aftermarket remake of a mustang steering wheel which is bigger than what was on there which I think should help with turning if I am correct. On the note of the radiator, I don't plan on getting a new one. Is there a way to fix the fins? I'll clean when I get the chance and put the fan on with the old clutch and take pics just to make sure. Are you sure I am good without a shroud? If not could I get like a 2 inch one maybe? Thank you so much for your input it helps a lot.
 

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Just remember that when you grow old, you will always rue the day you sold that car and remember it fondly. You will come up to us owners and have fond memories in your eyes as you tell us in the gas station of your first Mustang. You may be one of the unfortunate souls that show up here trying to trace down their first Mustang. Seems like everyone with a little grey in their hair has a Mustang story that just needs to be told when they see one on the street - I'm jus say'n...


Welcome to the sickness/hobby, take your time and do things right once, going half asp gets you hood up on the side of the road with a big L on your forehead - enjoy the build, its part of the hobby, not just a means to an end...


Good luck

This can't be over emphasized. I got my car when I was 14, very similar to OP. By the time I was finished with it (the first time :|) I was nearly 18 and started hearing stories from people nearly every time I had to fill up with gas. Which was often. I'm also now completely taking things apart that my dad and I did when I was a teenager because I have more patience now and I wish I had the same back then.


OP, good luck. Make sure that the fan isn't too close to the radiator. Motor mounts have some flex in them, especially as you rev the engine. I think you should have at least an inch clearance, but some people here may be more cavalier with their tolerances.
 

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I run a 4 row radiator (Copper) without a shroud and have run it that way for 23 years, but I don't have Air Cond. They do help but the one you have isn't right anyway. You can always add it later if you need it. MOst folks with aluminum radiators run 2 rows so you should be fine. Its worth a shot, just work your way into driving the car. I mean don't take the maiden voyage into 2 hours of LA traffic. Drive it around the block in progressively larger circles so you can get home quick if something happens. Work your way progressively into more stressing situations, if she starts running warm, head home and we'll take the next steps.


BTW< its good discipline to install something and take a minute and double check every bolt to make sure you didn't miss torqing one. Be slow and methodical...
 

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All excellent advice from these guys. I'll echo getting the proper radiator is going to save you aggravation later. There were a couple instances on my hardtop build where I tried to 'make stuff work' only to cave and go get the right thing. When you're messing with the cooling system of the engine, which if done incorrectly can trash it, best to do it right.

Coming from someone who's running electric fans in one of my cars, for your purposes, avoid them if you can. You WILL get your mechanical fan and AC clutch sorted out with a little time and patience and you'll be that much better for it. Once you have the proper radiator and everything setup, if you still have cooling issues with the AC, look into putting a shroud around the fan. It increases the airflow generated from the fan.

I scoff at power brakes. I'm a 36 year old geezer and neither of my cars have power brakes. Outside of gentler peddle feel, they dont really gain you anything (opinion). Swap your single bowl master cylinder to a dual bowl if you havent already (message me if you need one), inspect your lines, replace your wheel cylinders (if drums), and generally make sure everything is in tip top.

Power steering is another one that can wait. Think of the manual steering as another workout you get to do for football. Get a decent wheel alignment setup, grease it up, and inspect it. Although i do have power steering in both my cars (EPAS in the hardtop, hydraulic in the convertible) but then again, i'm a geezer :p

FWIW, I actually love the electric fans in my hardtop and the wiring was pretty simple (imo) in the grand scheme but that car is a completely different animal (fuel injection, mucho wiring). Putting electric fans in my convertible on the other hand would have been a pain in the rear since it's significantly more original.

Keep us posted on your progress. I enjoy seeing young folks loving and working on these old cars!
 

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This can't be over emphasized. I got my car when I was 14, very similar to OP. By the time I was finished with it (the first time :|) I was nearly 18 and started hearing stories from people nearly every time I had to fill up with gas. Which was often. I'm also now completely taking things apart that my dad and I did when I was a teenager because I have more patience now and I wish I had the same back then.


OP, good luck. Make sure that the fan isn't too close to the radiator. Motor mounts have some flex in them, especially as you rev the engine. I think you should have at least an inch clearance, but some people here may be more cavalier with their tolerances.
Thank you :) I kind of got rushed into the situation just a little bit because I always had loved classic cars and there's only one classic car dealer in my town and he had a slim selection. I didn't know what car I got until my birthday my sister woke me up and told me to come outside and there it was, a beautiful mustang. I love hearing stories about any classic car from anyone, old or young. I wish I had grown up in the 60s if I had a say in it haha. I have already heard about 10, some from people I didn't even know, so thank you again.
As with the fan, I installed it (not completely) tonight. I will post pictures in a second. I think there's about a half-inch but I am not entirely sure because of the cardboard so I will check when I completely get it bolted down. I wish there was inch clearance but I cannot really do anything about it besides maybe altering how the radiator sits which would be hard.
 

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I run a 4 row radiator (Copper) without a shroud and have run it that way for 23 years, but I don't have Air Cond. They do help but the one you have isn't right anyway. You can always add it later if you need it. MOst folks with aluminum radiators run 2 rows so you should be fine. Its worth a shot, just work your way into driving the car. I mean don't take the maiden voyage into 2 hours of LA traffic. Drive it around the block in progressively larger circles so you can get home quick if something happens. Work your way progressively into more stressing situations, if she starts running warm, head home and we'll take the next steps.


BTW< its good discipline to install something and take a minute and double check every bolt to make sure you didn't miss torqing one. Be slow and methodical...
Awesome thank you. I have factory air... unfortunately the tag fell off while driving. You're saying my shroud isn't right correct? About the driving, I live in a small town (about 50,000) so there normally isn't any traffic besides normal times (9&5, etc.). I may sound stupid but how do I check if she's overheating? The oil gauge? Sorry I don't know every specific detail. I try to be patient but efficient as well despite only having two months to get it running. Thanks again
 

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All excellent advice from these guys. I'll echo getting the proper radiator is going to save you aggravation later. There were a couple instances on my hardtop build where I tried to 'make stuff work' only to cave and go get the right thing. When you're messing with the cooling system of the engine, which if done incorrectly can trash it, best to do it right.

Coming from someone who's running electric fans in one of my cars, for your purposes, avoid them if you can. You WILL get your mechanical fan and AC clutch sorted out with a little time and patience and you'll be that much better for it. Once you have the proper radiator and everything setup, if you still have cooling issues with the AC, look into putting a shroud around the fan. It increases the airflow generated from the fan.

I scoff at power brakes. I'm a 36 year old geezer and neither of my cars have power brakes. Outside of gentler peddle feel, they dont really gain you anything (opinion). Swap your single bowl master cylinder to a dual bowl if you havent already (message me if you need one), inspect your lines, replace your wheel cylinders (if drums), and generally make sure everything is in tip top.

Power steering is another one that can wait. Think of the manual steering as another workout you get to do for football. Get a decent wheel alignment setup, grease it up, and inspect it. Although i do have power steering in both my cars (EPAS in the hardtop, hydraulic in the convertible) but then again, i'm a geezer :p

FWIW, I actually love the electric fans in my hardtop and the wiring was pretty simple (imo) in the grand scheme but that car is a completely different animal (fuel injection, mucho wiring). Putting electric fans in my convertible on the other hand would have been a pain in the rear since it's significantly more original.

Keep us posted on your progress. I enjoy seeing young folks loving and working on these old cars!
So you're saying I should replace the radiator I have now? After reading everything everyone has said I think it will work great as long as there's enough space between it and the fan. Asking questions online sure does help with a lot of problems haha. It wasn't me who wanted to get PB&PS it was my dad who probably just wants me to be able to handle it safely. In his defense that was almost a year ago and a lot has changed and I've gotten bigger etc. I have not touched the brakes or anything yet. Closest I have gotten was shocks and that is the only thing I touched in the wheel well. Could you pm me a good dual bowl please? I think I will drive it until I get the money for disc brakes and that'll bring about the replacing of cylinders obviously. Already have wheel in but need to grease it. I will also be sure to keep you posted. Thanks so much mister :)
 
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