BTW, currently the car is a 289 with the top loader 4 speed. My intention is to make this my primary daily ride so the 5th gear is VERY appealing!
289 removal question
I'm not new to the mechanics world at all but I'm VERY new to the classic mustang world. I've been daily driving a 67 coupe for about a month now and am loving it! I've got a brand new 302 long block sitting ready to go and I'm currently on the hunt for a T5 to swap in it. I've already got all the conversion parts for the swap. Heck, I've already got all my engine dress up parts, interior parts, wheels, everything... Only thing I literally still need for this complete build that I don't have in my possession already is the tires for the wheels, the T5 transmission and the paint/body work which a friend will be doing when I'm ready.
Anyways, I'm not knew to pulling engines. I've pulled the V6 out of the offroad toyota truck that I race countless times. I've pulled the V6 out of my Ford Explorer when I rebuilt it. I've pulled the LS2 out of my F150 (blasphemy I know...) numerous times while building it.
That said though, I've NEVER pulled a engine and trans out together and it sure seems like that's the way to do it on these mustangs. My engine hoist simply has the hook at the end and I've always used a single chain bolted strategically in 2 places on the engines and been able to balance them enough to get them out.
I know there's those threaded weight adjustment bars (for lack of better terms) and I'll pick one of those up for this removal. But I'm curious... Where are people grabbing these engines when they pull them out? Two chains, with 4 attachment points I'm assuming? Any pictures?
I'm probably not diving into this until Dec. I've got an entire ford ranger cab to install, roll cage, reinstall the full interior and mount front fiberglass clip and fiberglass bedsides on first. It's an offroad race truck. I pickup the cab and fiberglass freshly painted this Sunday and will start that project next sunday. I figure I should have it ready to go by Thanksgiving'ish so once it's done the Mustang work starts next. Everything looks pretty simple and straight forward, just curious on the hot setup to lift it out of there with the least amount of hassle.
Thanks!
Khris
Anyways, I'm not knew to pulling engines. I've pulled the V6 out of the offroad toyota truck that I race countless times. I've pulled the V6 out of my Ford Explorer when I rebuilt it. I've pulled the LS2 out of my F150 (blasphemy I know...) numerous times while building it.
That said though, I've NEVER pulled a engine and trans out together and it sure seems like that's the way to do it on these mustangs. My engine hoist simply has the hook at the end and I've always used a single chain bolted strategically in 2 places on the engines and been able to balance them enough to get them out.
I know there's those threaded weight adjustment bars (for lack of better terms) and I'll pick one of those up for this removal. But I'm curious... Where are people grabbing these engines when they pull them out? Two chains, with 4 attachment points I'm assuming? Any pictures?
I'm probably not diving into this until Dec. I've got an entire ford ranger cab to install, roll cage, reinstall the full interior and mount front fiberglass clip and fiberglass bedsides on first. It's an offroad race truck. I pickup the cab and fiberglass freshly painted this Sunday and will start that project next sunday. I figure I should have it ready to go by Thanksgiving'ish so once it's done the Mustang work starts next. Everything looks pretty simple and straight forward, just curious on the hot setup to lift it out of there with the least amount of hassle.
Thanks!
Khris
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Up until a year or so ago all I ever used was a chain bolted to the front end of the left head and the rear end of the right head. Hook the hook on the engine lift to the middle of this chain.
Then I upgraded to one of those lift plates.
Maybe before I die I'll upgrade to a leveler.
Then I upgraded to one of those lift plates.
Maybe before I die I'll upgrade to a leveler.
Just providing a pic for your words.
I prefer to make more work for my self :shrug: and do the engine and trans separate.And the hood off
Are those carb lift plates safe? Especially when using an aluminum intake? I just don't feel safe with it. I have always used a chain crossed between a front head to the rear head. Only two bolts but the bolts are larger and at an angle to the chain.
Another vote here for the leveler. I used the 4 corner bolts on the intake.
If the plan is doing the engine and tranny together (or not) it'll make things much easier. If you are doing them together, jack the back of the car up.
Personally, I'm with 2nd 66 on this... and a big "yes" on the T5 too.
If the plan is doing the engine and tranny together (or not) it'll make things much easier. If you are doing them together, jack the back of the car up.
Personally, I'm with 2nd 66 on this... and a big "yes" on the T5 too.
I installed mine with one of these plates. A 289 with stock intake and C4 transmission...Are those carb lift plates safe? Especially when using an aluminum intake? I just don't feel safe with it. I have always used a chain crossed between a front head to the rear head. Only two bolts but the bolts are larger and at an angle to the chain.
It was all good...
Allen
The 302 I just dropped in my '68 had similar brackets to what you see in the picture. Don't know where they came from, they were on the engine when I bought it, but I was able to drop the engine and transmission in the car as a single unit without a leveler and with the car flat on the ground, but I also had two other guys helping me.
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A lot of people use them. I'm not a fan. I ended up spending a small pile of cash to have a cracked aluminum intake repaired. I blame the plate. The intake is uncommon and was worth fixing.Are those carb lift plates safe? Especially when using an aluminum intake? I just don't feel safe with it. I have always used a chain crossed between a front head to the rear head. Only two bolts but the bolts are larger and at an angle to the chain.
That's exactly what I did. No issues.Are those carb lift plates safe? Especially when using an aluminum intake? I just don't feel safe with it. I have always used a chain crossed between a front head to the rear head. Only two bolts but the bolts are larger and at an angle to the chain.
It looks extremely frightening to me but I've seen lots of them in use. So I finally bought one and use it but I don't lift the engine and trans together.Are those carb lift plates safe? Especially when using an aluminum intake?
The Ford factory put them on. That's what they use on the assembly line to drop the engine/trans combo into place. I think the process is shown in the video of the Supremes singing and dancing on the Mustang assembly line.Don't know where they came from, they were on the engine when I bought it
That's what I figured, I just never see them on other cars. Was the factory or dealer supposed to take them off and return them like the tie downs that bolt to the rear frame rails? Or did they just kind of disappear over the years?The Ford factory put them on. That's what they use on the assembly line to drop the engine/trans combo into place. I think the process is shown in the video of the Supremes singing and dancing on the Mustang assembly line.
I have an aluminum manifold on my 289. I used the manifold plate hooked straight to the lift to remove the engine and trans together. I was worried about it breaking but it worked fine. But I think I'll use the sliding bar attached to the heads to put it back in.
Thanks for all the replies and the picture! I had thought about the carb plate but wasn't sure about how balanced the entire combo would be and how much control I'd have lifting it out with the transmission hanging off the back. Hadn't even thought about the stress on the threads of the intake. I'd rather not take the chance... The picture definitely looks like the hot setup! Then again I could make some plates pretty easily out of some 1/8" plate. I love my plasma that's for sure! LOL
And yes!!! Needs a T5 bad! For some reason in the last week I've caught my natural instincts pulling it out of 4th and about to head for 5th when I realize crap... Back to 4th... LOL
I can't get over how nice of a driver this thing is!!! I'm excited to have it all dialed in. Hoping to have interior and mechanical finished up in the month of Dec. I live in Vegas and have a full A/C kit to toss in it even. It's a GT with factory air but everything under the hood is missing except the condenser. I bought the full underhood modern style pump kit. If things go as planned I should have budget for body/paint in the spring. The car is straight but the paint is crap! Anyways, off topic... Thanks again for the info everyone!
And yes!!! Needs a T5 bad! For some reason in the last week I've caught my natural instincts pulling it out of 4th and about to head for 5th when I realize crap... Back to 4th... LOL
I can't get over how nice of a driver this thing is!!! I'm excited to have it all dialed in. Hoping to have interior and mechanical finished up in the month of Dec. I live in Vegas and have a full A/C kit to toss in it even. It's a GT with factory air but everything under the hood is missing except the condenser. I bought the full underhood modern style pump kit. If things go as planned I should have budget for body/paint in the spring. The car is straight but the paint is crap! Anyways, off topic... Thanks again for the info everyone!
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