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I live up here in homer Alaska end of the road. Mostly have classic trucks but have always loved mustangs so snatched this up when it came available

Got this wild hair and decided that a modern gt350 voodoo engine need to live in my 67 mustang
Good idea? bad idea? Going to do it any ways.

I Commercial fish up here in Alaska so I have a fair amount of time off in the winters to do this project

67 is a coupe with straight 6 with 3 speed manual. It is super solid no rot. actually drove it a lot the last few summers. It’s Especially surprising how nice it is as I bought the car up here in Alaska
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the Donor car is a 2019 Shelby gt350 with the gen2 5.2 voodoo but even with only 4495 miles it’s not in that good of shape.
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still making up my mind on what suspension to go with possibly heidt front and rear. HaveIng trouble finding someone to build wiring harness. Would like to us the donor transmission but still need to figure out how it will fit. possible do the coupe to fast back conversion. Still in the planing and gathering stage but should be fun.

Look forward to learning for all of you guys on here
 

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Wow. Gonna be a lot of surgery in The Land of The Midnight Sun !
 

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Take a look at the build threads section-there are several Coyote builds that will give you a good idea as to what you can anticipate.

Agree with post above about MTF or Rod and Custom, or one of the other full subframe designs--not cheap, but will give you the chassis to manage the power.
 

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I live up here in homer Alaska end of the road. Mostly have classic trucks but have always loved mustangs so snatched this up when it came available

Got this wild hair and decided that a modern gt350 voodoo engine need to live in my 67 mustang
Good idea? bad idea? Going to do it any ways.

I Commercial fish up here in Alaska so I have a fair amount of time off in the winters to do this project

67 is a coupe with straight 6 with 3 speed manual. It is super solid no rot. actually drove it a lot the last few summers. It’s Especially surprising how nice it is as I bought the car up here in Alaska View attachment 814450

the Donor car is a 2019 Shelby gt350 with the gen2 5.2 voodoo but even with only 4495 miles it’s not in that good of shape. View attachment 814451

still making up my mind on what suspension to go with possibly heidt front and rear. HaveIng trouble finding someone to build wiring harness. Would like to us the donor transmission but still need to figure out how it will fit. possible do the coupe to fast back conversion. Still in the planing and gathering stage but should be fun.

Look forward to learning for all of you guys on here
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I live up here in homer Alaska end of the road. Mostly have classic trucks but have always loved mustangs so snatched this up when it came available

Got this wild hair and decided that a modern gt350 voodoo engine need to live in my 67 mustang
Good idea? bad idea? Going to do it any ways.

I Commercial fish up here in Alaska so I have a fair amount of time off in the winters to do this project

67 is a coupe with straight 6 with 3 speed manual. It is super solid no rot. actually drove it a lot the last few summers. It’s Especially surprising how nice it is as I bought the car up here in Alaska View attachment 814450

the Donor car is a 2019 Shelby gt350 with the gen2 5.2 voodoo but even with only 4495 miles it’s not in that good of shape. View attachment 814451

still making up my mind on what suspension to go with possibly heidt front and rear. HaveIng trouble finding someone to build wiring harness. Would like to us the donor transmission but still need to figure out how it will fit. possible do the coupe to fast back conversion. Still in the planing and gathering stage but should be fun.

Look forward to learning for all of you guys on here
Commenting to watch this happen :)
 

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TCI Pro Touring or Heidts Pro G front suspension are the most "Coyote" friendly. Most others don't allow the engine to sit low enough or enough forward. Can be a big problem with tunnel/transmission height.
MGW appears to have bolt on shifters ( at least for the MT 82 ) that will put the shifter in more or less the stock position on early Stangs.
No control pack for this engine. However, you can have the "PATS" system turned off in the ecu. YOu will still have to work with the factory harness that you have. No one has a ready to use harness. You will have to use or hide the voodoo instrument cluster and maybe some of the steering column/button start components. But it can be done!
Getting started on a Coyote into a 65 project myself....
 

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TCI Pro Touring or Heidts Pro G front suspension are the most "Coyote" friendly. Most others don't allow the engine to sit low enough or enough forward. Can be a big problem with tunnel/transmission height.
MGW appears to have bolt on shifters ( at least for the MT 82 ) that will put the shifter in more or less the stock position on early Stangs.
No control pack for this engine. However, you can have the "PATS" system turned off in the ecu. YOu will still have to work with the factory harness that you have. No one has a ready to use harness. You will have to use or hide the voodoo instrument cluster and maybe some of the steering column/button start components. But it can be done!
Getting started on a Coyote into a 65 project myself....
MGW does make the best shifter...but there are a couple other options, I use a Barton shifter myself for the MT-82(actually made for the v8 MT-82 but fits the v6 version just fine...oddly, the v8 shifter sets the shifter location back about 3/4"-1" further than the v6 shifter for some reason...might be handy to know if someone needs to move their Coyote swap shifter forward for some reason. There is also the blowfish racing shifter support bracket that can be used with the stock(and aftermarket) shifter(s). As far as ECU goes....the Coyote is lucky, people have already done all the work needed to get them running on aftermarket ECUs, you aren't stuck with the stock ECU if you don't want it...and the Vodoo uses the same sensors, so you could tune the thing using AEM, Motec, Haltec, Megasquirt, etc etc.
 

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The problem with the VooDoo is the firing order. The OEM Ford 5.0 Coyote and the Ford Racing control pak won't work with the VooDoo firing order. Yes, I assume there is another aftermarket stand alone system that would run the VooDoo, but I think most if not all of those want you to lock the cams. The only way to keep the OEM function of the cam phasers would be the OEM Voodoo ECU.
 

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The problem with the VooDoo is the firing order. The OEM Ford 5.0 Coyote and the Ford Racing control pak won't work with the VooDoo firing order. Yes, I assume there is another aftermarket stand alone system that would run the VooDoo, but I think most if not all of those want you to lock the cams. The only way to keep the OEM function of the cam phasers would be the OEM Voodoo ECU.
Not true at all..MS3 supports full Ti-VCT on the Coyote engine. and VVT in general on any engine, it takes the inputs from the camshaft position signals and gives outputs to drive the phasers based. I am sure AEM, Motec, Haltec, and the rest do as well, but I use MS3 myself, I just find it difficult to believe that a DIY system like MS3 would support things the pro systems don't. For my Cyclone engine, I had to add additional VR conditioners to read the cam sensors...but the Coyote has 2 less VR sensors(it uses 2 hall sensors in their place) so its a lot easier to work with.
 

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"Not true at all"? If there are those that fully support the cam timing that is great. My statement was meant to show that aftermarket engine management systems are not plug and play like the Ford Racing Control pak for instance. So while you are proving there is a management system that will make use of the Coyote variable cam timing....which is good, what about the Voodoo firing order? I have no idea if that can be changed in aftermarket systems, or the Ford stuff.
 

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"Not true at all"? If there are those that fully support the cam timing that is great. My statement was meant to show that aftermarket engine management systems are not plug and play like the Ford Racing Control pak for instance. So while you are proving there is a management system that will make use of the Coyote variable cam timing....which is good, what about the Voodoo firing order? I have no idea if that can be changed in aftermarket systems, or the Ford stuff.
You can change firing order to whatever you want in any aftermarket system....it wouldn't even matter if you couldn't since all you would have to do to change firing order manually is re-pin the engine harness, swapping one coil lead for another. I used to do this all the time when I swapped 2.4L Chrysler engines for 2.0L engines, different firing order...same sensors, all I did was re-pin the connector so even if the computer thought it was firing cylinder #2, it was in reality firing cylinder #3. For that matter...you could use the same trick to run a Voodoo engine off of a Coyote ECU, though you would have to get a custom tune burned to account for timing and fuel and VVT phaser differences
 

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So there would be no problems with cam position sensors telling the ecu there is a problem? Wouldn't there be a problem with the actual position of the pistons and cam lobes( when the repinned coil fires ) due to the flat plane crank differences? I have not put too much thought into that yet...
I own a Voodoo, and I can tell you I would LOVE to put one in my 65. My call to Ford Performance didn't go well, they said there was no way to make the control pak work. But...they only go by what they are told too.
 

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So there would be no problems with cam position sensors telling the ecu there is a problem? Wouldn't there be a problem with the actual position of the pistons and cam lobes( when the repinned coil fires ) due to the flat plane crank differences? I have not put too much thought into that yet...
I own a Voodoo, and I can tell you I would LOVE to put one in my 65. My call to Ford Performance didn't go well, they said there was no way to make the control pak work. But...they only go by what they are told too.
Not that I can see....The Coyote has a firing order of 1-5,4-8,6-3,7-2. The Voodoo has a firing order of 1-5,4-8,3-7,2-6. If using a Coyote ECU, you would leave the pins for cylinders 1,4,5, & 8 the same. If using a Voodoo harness with a Coyote ECU there is a good chance you wouldn't have to change anything(would have to study the diagram to see) but if using a Coyote harness you would swap the coil(and injector) pins for the the corresponding ones you want to fire, the ECU would just think its running a Coyote engine the entire time while actually firing half the cylinders to the Voodoo pattern. Since its VVT there is a possibility that they have the trigger wheel on the end of the cams clocked differently....but since half the cylinders fire the same, I doubt it....it wouldn't make any sense to do any physical changes other than grind different lobes, more work for no reason. Regardless, the reason I gave up on running the Ford electronics to start with and use MS3 to run my engine is simply because I don't want to deal with nonsense and having to fool the ECU...and its a hell of a lot easier for me to plug in my laptop, adjust a few settings and burn a new tune on the fly than it is to pay someone hundreds of dollars to burn me a new custom tune. Factory electronics are the reason so many people hate EFI, they are too restrictive.
 

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Isn't the 580hp Aluminator a Voodoo? On Fords site it says to use the 2nd gen Coyote Control Pack and a tune will be necessary.
 

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Maybe someone has a definitive answer. I have not bought a Voodoo for the 65, at least not yet.
Isn't the 580hp Aluminator a Voodoo? On Fords site it says to use the 2nd gen Coyote Control Pack and a tune will be necessary.
No, the Aluminator is 5.2 liters like a Voodoo, but uses a cross plane crank like the Coyote. Firing order and piston position would be the same as a Coyote. So it can use a Coyote Control Pack.
 
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