First Bob, thanks for the opportunity to discuss this
"suspicious" I would not think that would be the word I would use. Instead consider this. Shelby MCA judge often access to the same documentation as any other organization has.
I don't think anyone want to give a national trophy in a restored class which we find out later was not restored. For example years ago there was a top end restored 69 R code Convertible that was restored and shown allot. It won first after first and was featured in many national magazines. Well as the story goes one of the workers that helped build the car eventually came out to explain that the car was not what it was shown and later sold as (got allot more money for it due to the awards, articles and so on). Car was a converted 351W automatic convertible.
My earlier comments should not be (thought I said it but not likely clear enough
read to say that MCA currently gets a Marti report or VIN report from SAAC on all cars entered in the restored and modified classes. Instead I would not put it beyond a individual judge at a show that sees that a car in the class he/she is judging has something out of the ordinary on a car to investigate it if they can. It only makes them a better judge I would think.
For example if 6S001 showed up with a vinyl top or 5S010 with thunderbird taillights I bit of homework would help out allot since the rules do not specify they two oddities of production. At the same time – see response below- I would as an owner expect and be prepared to offer information to the judges on their arrival at the car.
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"Is every 66 Shelby owner supposed to show up with something documenting how the car came from Shelby"
After a full restoration and all the related research (or dollars) that it takes to do one today every owner knows how their car is similar or dissimilar to the current expectations. Most owners and restorers start out with a set of rules to guide the process. I get allot of calls about "my car is different" and on investigation and discussion with the owner (seeing the car when possible) I would report that approx 80% can be explained away for one reason or another.
But like UFO's, what about the others. In this case I'v learned something new that I in turn try and share with other judges and owners. Something this site and the other before it, have been wonderful for.
If you know you car is different in some way you must have looked into why your car is that way by the time it get to the judged event. Not to bring that information with you (doesn't normally take that much space in the trailer) would be silly.
Bob- just a direct response to you example. Why would an owner not expect to lose points in a restored class when the car they are showing (in your example a color change) was not restored?
This response is not an officical response of MCA, its officers or its membership.
“Showing and judging …… not for the weak”
"suspicious" I would not think that would be the word I would use. Instead consider this. Shelby MCA judge often access to the same documentation as any other organization has.
I don't think anyone want to give a national trophy in a restored class which we find out later was not restored. For example years ago there was a top end restored 69 R code Convertible that was restored and shown allot. It won first after first and was featured in many national magazines. Well as the story goes one of the workers that helped build the car eventually came out to explain that the car was not what it was shown and later sold as (got allot more money for it due to the awards, articles and so on). Car was a converted 351W automatic convertible.
My earlier comments should not be (thought I said it but not likely clear enough
read to say that MCA currently gets a Marti report or VIN report from SAAC on all cars entered in the restored and modified classes. Instead I would not put it beyond a individual judge at a show that sees that a car in the class he/she is judging has something out of the ordinary on a car to investigate it if they can. It only makes them a better judge I would think. For example if 6S001 showed up with a vinyl top or 5S010 with thunderbird taillights I bit of homework would help out allot since the rules do not specify they two oddities of production. At the same time – see response below- I would as an owner expect and be prepared to offer information to the judges on their arrival at the car.
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"Is every 66 Shelby owner supposed to show up with something documenting how the car came from Shelby"
After a full restoration and all the related research (or dollars) that it takes to do one today every owner knows how their car is similar or dissimilar to the current expectations. Most owners and restorers start out with a set of rules to guide the process. I get allot of calls about "my car is different" and on investigation and discussion with the owner (seeing the car when possible) I would report that approx 80% can be explained away for one reason or another.
But like UFO's, what about the others. In this case I'v learned something new that I in turn try and share with other judges and owners. Something this site and the other before it, have been wonderful for.
If you know you car is different in some way you must have looked into why your car is that way by the time it get to the judged event. Not to bring that information with you (doesn't normally take that much space in the trailer) would be silly.
Bob- just a direct response to you example. Why would an owner not expect to lose points in a restored class when the car they are showing (in your example a color change) was not restored?
This response is not an officical response of MCA, its officers or its membership.
“Showing and judging …… not for the weak
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