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I'm at the point where the new wiring is going to go in. The motor is built and waiting to be installed. Should I drop the motor in first, or do the wiring first?

I have the AAW complete update kit. The bigger question is, do I do it myself or have a pro do the install. I was recommended to a specialist that came by to quote the work. He's quoted me $700 Canadian and 3 days work time. The car is a shell right now. All that needs to be done is the original main dash harness, and then from there on it's new install. His price includes, testing all connections, warp, etc.

Now, I'm pretty handy.... but sometimes saving time is money well spent. Is that cost too high of price? Crap, just buying the crimping tools will set me back $100.00 alone. Not to mention wrap, tape, etc. I'm thinking it's a good price but not sure what to compare it too as this type of service isn't something I can easily look up. He comes highly recommended from a couple of guys that have had him rewire their cars.

How long would it take an average guy to do the install on their own, having moderate car knowledge?
 

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I've seen that kit. If he's planning to charge you for only three days, it's a bargain. It would take me four, with luck. No matter what kit you use, it should be installed and routed after engine install. That way, all your trimming can be done to fit properly.

Given a choice, though, I'd use Alloy Metal OEM style wiring. Since it's already trimmed and wrapped, with all connectors incorporated, you could install it yourself in an afternoon.

I know of a partially installed AAW kit headed for the trash, because it's being replaced with a full Alloy Metal kit. The cost of the AM kit will more than be offset by the reduced labor cost, and the AM kit does not require a $100 tool, or for that matter any special tool.
 

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Okay, since I did the same kit all by my lonesome self I'll play. It's probably easier to install the wiring with the engine in. You also need to decide where you want the fuse box located. You can do like the instructions recommend, or move it elsewhere. I think it's Mustangs To Fear that likes to put the box in the driver's side kick panel area. I put mine under the dash right on top of the trans tunnel hump, and built a console to cover it. Easier access for me there because I'm an old fart. They give you plenty of wire length that allows flexibility, but you need to decide where. The instructions are good, take 'em step by step. NPD sells the right kind of non-stick wire wrap tape if you desire it. I bought the crimping tools and since passed them on to Dan Babb for his build, but you can rent them if you want from AAW. Practice crimp connectors are included in the kit. If I can do it, you can too, but prepare to spend some time on your back working upside down under the dash. Take the front seats out and throw a big pillow on the floor to rest on. They say this can be done in a weekend if you really go at it, but I took my time and spent at least a week on mine.(y) :)
 

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700 is a bargan. Those kits are normally for a restomod with more options than the car originally came with. 20-30 hrs should be expected for perfect work. Plug and play reproduction harness's allow a (conscientious) novice to have a quicker/professional outcome for sure .
 

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I have installed most if an AAW kit myself, still have to do the instrument cluster.

The tools and wrap do get expensive. You can do without the fancy crimper if you want, but they really do look superb if used properly. I bought the single crimp and decided to wing the double crimp terminals with a normal set of wire crimps (the single crimp tool will destroy the double wire terminal if you try and use it)

You could save yourself some money and use a normal pair of crinpers and solder the connections to make it more secure.

The wrap does get expensive if used everywhere. I found a guy on Ebay that sells whatever you want for pretty cheap. But plan on a $100 worth or so at bare minimum.

I mounted my fuse box on the drivers side kick panel as metioned.

700 sounds like a steal, makes me wonder what corners hes cutting. If you do it yourself, you know if it's done right ( or at least who to blame if it isn't)
 

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I bought a Painless harness for my 67, it was the specific harness for my year. I’ve since sent my underdash harness to Midlife to have it refurbished and purchased all the rest new Alloy Metal harnesses from NPD in Charlotte. I decided that since I can’t really find the time to do the rest of the work on the car how in the world would I find the time to do the Painless? (Or AAW)
 

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700$ seems reasonable, but how many has he done? Does he have references? What mods have you done to the car? Are you planning on a near stock build? As others have mentioned if its not a custom build a stock style harness might be money well spent. Sell the AAW kit and buy the stock style then it's a near no brainer install.
 

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I've seen that kit. If he's planning to charge you for only three days, it's a bargain. It would take me four, with luck. No matter what kit you use, it should be installed and routed after engine install. That way, all your trimming can be done to fit properly.

Given a choice, though, I'd use Alloy Metal OEM style wiring. Since it's already trimmed and wrapped, with all connectors incorporated, you could install it yourself in an afternoon.

I know of a partially installed AAW kit headed for the trash, because it's being replaced with a full Alloy Metal kit. The cost of the AM kit will more than be offset by the reduced labor cost, and the AM kit does not require a $100 tool, or for that matter any special tool.
What about this kit headed for the trash you are talking about? If you are going to trash it would you consider boxing it up and sending it if someone paid the shipping?
 

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I've seen that kit. If he's planning to charge you for only three days, it's a bargain. It would take me four, with luck. No matter what kit you use, it should be installed and routed after engine install. That way, all your trimming can be done to fit properly.

Given a choice, though, I'd use Alloy Metal OEM style wiring. Since it's already trimmed and wrapped, with all connectors incorporated, you could install it yourself in an afternoon.

I know of a partially installed AAW kit headed for the trash, because it's being replaced with a full Alloy Metal kit. The cost of the AM kit will more than be offset by the reduced labor cost, and the AM kit does not require a $100 tool, or for that matter any special tool.

PA cob beat me to it...
 

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I wired my 66 with the AAW kit. It is a good kit and appropriate for modified cars. I heavily modified my AAW kit with a lot more changes and did the work myself and have probably 80 hours into it complete. Kit was $600ish and have a lot more in tools, wrap, etc (You really need BOTH wire crimpers to do the job; the AAW recommended crimpers are fantastic). The $700 seems very fair if it gets what you need out of the install. For some like me, wiring is fun, but a lot of people hate it. It was easy but you need to know what you are doing and be patient, and then weigh where your dollars go.
 

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What about this kit headed for the trash you are talking about? If you are going to trash it would you consider boxing it up and sending it if someone paid the shipping?
Not my job. I suspect the car owner will want to turn it over on ebay or some such to recoup some cost.
 

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Thanks for all the info guys. I'm going to move forward with the kit I have, and likely get this guy to install. I will put the motor in first, which now makes total sense for the wiring, etc.
 

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For those that have installed the kit, I am safe to trash all the wiring under the dash, correct? The kit doesn’t really say to remove ALL existing wiring, but I think its a given right?

I want to minimize the time this guy is under the car, so anything I can do to speed up the process is money in my wallet.
 

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For those that have installed the kit, I am safe to trash all the wiring under the dash, correct?
Technically yes, but I would recommend saving and reusing some things those wires attach to. The light sockets for the headlights and tailights come to mind if they are in good shape. The AAW socket pigtails protrude straight out from the sockets in an inelegant way, while the originals have shorter turn downs. Compare and you'll see what I mean. You probably know this already but keep things like your wiper and dimmer switches, perhaps your door light push switches too. Don't throw any of it away until the job is done! :)
 

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Thanks. Rear light harness is long gone and door light push switches are beyond dead. I’ll have to look through the box again. Do they come with the kit?

I was pleasantly surprised that the kit came with the instrument cluster Harness... which previously spent a couple hours testing my original before I bought the kit. :rolleyes:
 

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I put the kit into my 66, took probably 30 hours or so. I got the tech-flex wrap from the eBay guy that goes by furryletters, if you contact him he'll sell direct. I can look up how much of each size I used if you go that route.
I think you need to keep the wiper wires from the original. And yes the tool rental from AAW is worth it, you get them for a month and that should be plenty of time.
 

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I put the kit into my 66, took probably 30 hours or so. I got the tech-flex wrap from the eBay guy that goes by furryletters, if you contact him he'll sell direct. I can look up how much of each size I used if you go that route.
I think you need to keep the wiper wires from the original. And yes the tool rental from AAW is worth it, you get them for a month and that should be plenty of time.
Thanks Jeff.. Yeah, if you can give me a rough idea on how much wrap you used, that would be great.
 
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