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I appreciate everybody's concern about my internet access. I didn't sign up here to talk about myself, but I'd like to clear up a misconception.Or maybe it's just because you can't believe such a thing is possible. As I alluded to in an earlier post, my use of a dial-up internet service is by choice, not necessity. I worked in a high tech industry for years, but I am so done with it.
 

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"Works with modern Alternators and Modern Original Type Rebuilt Alternators too..."
Still trying to wrap my head around this... What is this "modern" component that is being used and what is the.... I guess you'd have to call it "antique".... component it's replacing?
 

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I'm guessing Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance isn't a best seller around here. Sometimes the journey is as important as the destination. When I quest, at the end of the day, a large part of the satisfaction is derived from the difficulty of the task, not what a cakewalk it was. But I'm funny that way.
 

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The vast majority of us don't even think about connectivity but there are still many parts of the country which there isn't any internet still. Seriously. I've met people that simply have no choice. No cell coverage, because no company wants to erect a repeater tower that will serve about six people. No cable. No dial up even. For dial up to work you have to have someone with a server connection you can dial to, without it being a long distance call. I didn't really know this either until I met some folks that live up by the Canadian border last year. I forget exactly what the issue was with satellite, something about it was partially dialup I think. For internet they had to drive an hour into the local town where they could use access at the high school. Like a once a week thing. Go to town and get groceries, car parts, check the email....Kind of floored me. So I can imagine there are any number of folks still puttering along with dialup. If that's all there is...
I appreciate everybody's concern about my internet access. I didn't sign up here to talk about myself, but I'd like to clear up a misconception.Or maybe it's just because you can't believe such a thing is possible. As I alluded to in an earlier post, my use of a dial-up internet service is by choice, not necessity. I worked in a high tech industry for years, but I am so done with it.
Yeah, just joking around about it, it is so rare today to find anyone actually using dial up but I am just slightly ahead of that curve. Up until about a year ago, DSL was totally useless to me. I was the very last house on the feed from the Windstream server, I think they said almost 3,000 ft. It dropped in and out and was just barely faster than dial-up but dial-up was more reliable. Tried Blue Sky, just slightly better. The cellular company I work for was limited by lack of customer demand and government regulations so it wasn't until a few years ago that I could get a data connection and that is what I use now. Wife complains because Netflix is only usable during low traffic times. I work with cellular companies all over the US and have a couple connections at some small companies that serve some spots in OK, WY, etc that don't even have dialup, cellular or satellite is it. I visited Alaska some years ago, and one of the small towns we visited had one satellite dish providing internet access for the entire town. We dropped in to the single internet cafe and spent 45 minutes just trying to check email and upload some pictures, stuff that normally took about 10 minutes at home.
 

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I'm guessing Zen...
I have very dogeared paperback copy, a hard back anniversary reprint edition, and I had yet another copy that I passed on to my son. :)
One of my favorite bits is actually the collision of worlds over the use of beer can shims to tighten up handlebars.
 

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I'm guessing Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance isn't a best seller around here.
Most of the guys here that have bikes are more likely to use the factory manual for maintenance rather than a third party book.





Either that or we're more into the classics like Dostoevsky or Nietzsche...
 

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To be more precise it is known as electro-mechanical. Real electronic parts were just coming into use back then. The first uses in cars were the diodes in the alternator, and the electronics in the radios, but there wasn't wide spread use of chips yet, just individual components like transistors, diodes and resistors. TTL chips were invented in 1961 but were expensive and primarily went into military gear. As costs went down and availability went up they went into consumer gear. Along with that they had to figure out how to make the components smaller so they could fit more onto the silicone wafer. It was a long difficult process.
TTL, now that’s a term I haven’t heard in a long time. I use to work on Areno/Norden tube fillers. On the cards to control registration they had these huge chips on them. Curiosity got the better of me one day and I ground one open. Lol, just a little PC board with transistors covered over with Bakolite. Oh striped toothpaste went into the tube striped.
 

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Not that I want to drag this thread back on topic or anything (I am perfectly happy to talk about old technology all day) but since MyOldGrayMare asked about the 'I' terminal and I didn't know where it went I walked outside and took a look.

On my 67 200/c4 car the 'I' terminal on the voltage regulator isn't hooked to anything. There's not even a wire in the plug. So in 67 at least it looks like it's unused.

And now back to your paper tapes and punch cards....
 

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I'm guessing Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance isn't a best seller around here........"
that would be a mistake on your part to guess or assume that. But welcome anyway. I'm sure you have useful contributions to make here. most people do, even if it's only questions.

Many, if not most, personalities I've encountered on the VFM forum adhere to the philosophy of that book, without having to even know of it's existence.

There are numerous vintage car / modern car forums on the internet where everyone has a snobbish attitude. The VFM is not one of those places.

Z
 

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A known resto thing to do is (like I have) is to buy a new "orig style" mechanical regulator and a 70's newer style electronic regulator which has a lower profile cover, but way more reliable, and open them up to switch covers.
Using the new solid state VR but has orig style cover so looks orig.
You can actually buy VRs that have modern electronics inside with original "tall" cover outside. I've been using the following VR for the last 6 years without issue.

65-67 BLACK VOLTAGE REGULATOR C5AF

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65-67 BLACK VOLTAGE REGULATOR WITH AIR CONDITIONING OR POWER TOP
 

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Forget that above....You're wasting money......You don't need to buy the whole "Original Type VR"...

From NPD, You can just buy the "Original OEM Covers" by themselves... and them add them to the Newer "Solid State" '80's-'90's type Motorcraft VR by removing the cover..

See here....

https://www.npdlink.com/search/products?search_terms=voltage+regulator+cover+only&top_parent=200001&year=

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What am I missing? It’s $47.95 for the OEM-appearing, with modern electronics, VR that I posted but you’re suggesting that’s too expensive. Your solution is to buy a Motorcraft VR for $30.79 and buy a tall cover for $18, which totals $48.79?

I suppose just getting the cover is cheaper if I already had the electronic VR and the proper rivets to install the new cover.
 

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! My "assumption" was made after reading response after response in this thread from people absolutely rejecting any adherence to the old design of their cars. Looking only for the cheap way, the easy way, the way they don't have to appreciate what it took to design and maintain these cars back where they came from. So it really wasn't, as I called it, a "guess", but an observationally supported hypothesis. And while I rant, I would like to say that I was surprised to see the open and shameless shilling for commercial products by so many of the frequent posters on here. I would rather be regularly flamed than have to wonder whether the advice I seek is tainted by somebody's greed.
 

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Magnus, once again you are a font of wisdom, but I already found a schematic that hinted at those details. Turns out that's just a tach or gauge / idiot light drive. Which opens another question for me. How do the accessories get their power? I doesn't matter much for my current quest, but I'm trying to get this circuit in my head so I don't have to stop and refer to schematics much. So if the accessory wire off the ignition switch only goes to the regulator, and only powers up the field coil, what makes your radio work? There must be something else going on. For years I designed, and then built the prototypes for large, complicated, high-end computer controlled medical research laboratory equipment. I can analyze, and hack, the hell out of a circuit if I have the information I need.
 

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How do the accessories get their power? I doesn't matter much for my current quest, but I'm trying to get this circuit in my head so I don't have to stop and refer to schematics much.

You asked specifically how the radio works- it is in the left middle of the page. Personally I think the windshield wiper below that is the most interesting circuit in the car.

 

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".........And while I rant, I would like to say that I was surprised to see the open and shameless shilling for commercial products by so many of the frequent posters on here. I would rather be regularly flamed than have to wonder whether the advice I seek is tainted by somebody's greed.
OK, I'll bite.

Tainted by greed ? That's a pretty wild denunciation.

Can you substantiate that accusation ? Or provide any evidence that a single person on the VFM has received any product or monetary renumeration as a result of the so called "...shameless shilling..." ? ? ?

Many posters here routinely inquire what products, like oil, or aftermarket suspension upgrades, can be either endorsed, or conversely be given a "thumbs down" rating. Everyone has a product that's been working well for themselves, and are happy to share that experience. I don't call that shilling. Maybe I'm just naive.

best of luck to you,

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! My "assumption" was made after reading response after response in this thread from people absolutely rejecting any adherence to the old design of their cars. Looking only for the cheap way, the easy way, the way they don't have to appreciate what it took to design and maintain these cars back where they came from. So it really wasn't, as I called it, a "guess", but an observationally supported hypothesis. And while I rant, I would like to say that I was surprised to see the open and shameless shilling for commercial products by so many of the frequent posters on here. I would rather be regularly flamed than have to wonder whether the advice I seek is tainted by somebody's greed.
While I'll agree that you never asked for product advice, it is common to see recommendations that "upgrade" OEM VRs with modern electronic versions in order to reduce the variability of your vehicle's electrical system. However, I fail to see how recommending a modern upgrade, which does nothing to visually or otherwise degrade the experience of owning a classic car, can be viewed as offering tainted advice, especially considering most posters probably don't own the manufacturing or retail company offering the product and therefore have zero financial incentive behind their recommendation. I'll make the assumption that you're probably not running bias ply tires on your classic in order to appreciate the period's tire technology but have upgraded to radials, which is an improvement for safety/reliability in the same vain as upgrading your VR or replacing your points.

Further, if the wisdom you seek is the kind of diagrams and schematics that others have graciously shared with you, then you might consider this next recommendation. However, it comes with a catch, you must purchase another shameless commercial product.

https://www.npdlink.com/product/shop-manual-reprint-of-original-1966-mustang-comet/138039/124019

Good luck with your quest.
 
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