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Let's face it, Ford has a bad rap. The Chevy greaser/hotrod guys do out number Ford greaser/hotrod guys. It is hard to have respect driving a Ford around some groups and areas. I am sure that most of us have dealt with the typical hardcore chevy nut and have kinda wondered why they are so stupid (I have never met a chevy nut that did not eat lead paint as a child).
My question is why? When did GM start getting such a good rep for being incredible cars. I am under the impression that Ford was pretty hard to beat at the track in the 60's. In the early 70's I know that Ford discontinued a High Performance Image and just simply started making cars (gas economy, reductions in pollution and a PR thing for safety). Things started to come around in the 80's as we all know and now we see 5.0's not having too much trouble with 5.7's (my crappy 302 does not have too much trouble with 350's).
Chevy nuts often say it is easier and cheaper to get more power out of a chevy than it is with a Ford. Maybe this was true at one time (Back in the day- mid to late 70's) but I really don't see how it is true today.
Perhaps this is simply a matter of pride. Chevy owners want to feel like theirs is the best, while we like to feel like ours are the best.
Anyone care to shead some light on this?
 

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IME, respect usually obtains to the operator, not the platform...

I generally got a lot of respect (and ribbing too *G*) because I had a SBF that could run as quick or quicker than most of the Chevy's in my socio-economic class.....

At the drag strip, running consistently is what wins races...no one make has the stranglehold on that quality...

The advent of using military technology for building performance parts has leveled the playing field across the carmaker lines....how fast you go is as much dependent on how much money you have as it is related to your combo-building smarts... a marked departure from a generation ago when building a SBF was an exercise in creativity...*G*

I'm not in love with Fords, just the Mustang...IMO, there has never been an equal to its beauty and popularity and place in automotive history...

That opinion is likely not to change...

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In general Small block Chevys will run faster/cheaper/easier. Ran lots of Chevys in street racing all during the ear and Chevys and Ford did not compare. As far as today gots........ I don't care ;)


I originally got involved building Fords when it was easier to see that parts (reproduction) were cheaper and the cars (at that time) sold quicker and fo more $$'s

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i agree with camachinist!!!! i love the mustang and not the ford symbol! they are beautiful and all too and not that many match it at least the vintage models! but then again i love classic cars more than todays and i am from generation x!
 

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Hmmm, I have several "Chevy" friends, and they respect my Mustangs as much as I respect their Camaros. Of course, this is comming from someone that has owned 4 Mustangs, a Cougar, a Camaro, and one of my favorites, a Charger with a big block ... yes, I was a former Mopar owner and loved every second of blowing doors off of Chevies AND Fords /forums/images/icons/cool.gif.

You'll never see me in a new Ford, though ... they forgot how to make cars back in the 70's *LOL*.

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coke vs. pepsi... Some people will refuse to drink one or the other. Humans are by nature
inclined to come together in packs like wolves. Most folks get their loyalty or their
reverse loyalty from their parents. My family always had fords. The scumbags down the street
always had chevys. There is a fine piece of americana connected to Ford. When they went
racing they did it up front. They didn't put together some company slush fund build a race team
and pretend that they were just privateers. Remember the Jim Hall Chaparells? How about those
lightweight corvettes that just came out of thin air? Consider the Model T. The Ford Trimotor.
hell even the modern assembly line. I don't hear stuff like that about G.M. The General has
wisely spent the big bucks on promoting image. They have good stuff there too. It's a very
big company. If you throw enough crap at the wall some of it is bound to stick.
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If you look at the engine part prices, SBC is cheaper to build than SBF. Steepest example is stroking, 383 stroker compared any Ford stroker is a steal. It also seems that many parts are first produced to SBC and if manufacturer thinks there is general interest, then SBF and BBC parts are next. For example, Edelbrock Air-Gap intake manifold.
I must say that I fancy other Fords too, they get image booster from Mustang, but I also like them genuinely. 55-57 T-bird, 57 Lincoln Capri 60-61 Starliner, 66-67 Fairlane HT ... and then nothing beats the fun of 68-80 rally Escort. But I like other makes too 68 or 70 Charger, 68-8? Vette, Bentley S1 Fastback, even Volvo P1800. Last weekend I saw historic racer 65 TVR Griffith, tube frame, GRP and 289, wow, 0-60mph 3,2 sec, some historic or what. Most of what I like have 2dr and fastback styling.

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When I was young, I was a GM guy. Mostly Chevys and Pontiacs. I thought Ford's were junk. Year's later (late 80's) I bought a Honda and realized that the GM's were junk in comparison (you can say what you want about jap cars, but unless you've owned and worked on both extensively, I really don't want to hear it). Today, the engineering in all cars is far superior to the old ones. I bought my '65 fastback because I liked the way it looks and I have friends who own fords, but certainly not because it is a good car. One of the reasons that old mustangs are so popular to restromod is that they are so bad in stock form. My first car was a '68 Camaro, and I'm sorry to say that the build quality of that car was far superior to my mustang. I don't own one now, because everyone else does. I own my mustang (my 4th), a big block chevy pickup, a chevy dump truck, a villager, a Ford tractor and a honda civic. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I guess my point is that I don't understand why anybody has such a strong brand loyalty with old cars, when all of them really suck in comarison to the new ones. You should own what you like, and respect the other guy for doing the same. After all, we're all in the same hobby, why should we be on opposite sides?



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I couldn't agree with you more! You nailed it! Older cars certainly have their "charm," but they don't perform nearly as well as newer cars without very extensive modifications. Fortunately, I've never run across a Ford basher in central Ohio (where I live). Seems that people that enjoy older cars appreciate all older cars...
 

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But realistically, unless you have a modern car that is blown or turbo-ed, modifications typically cost more than they do on older cars... It even cheaper for me to get parts for my Cleveland than it is for my Talon. Plus, I don't care much about what anyone else thinks, new cars are a BEAR to work on. Ever look under the hoods of some of these cars? Impossible. Some new cars like the LS-1 Camaros are extremely fast, but, at least in my case, are extremely expenisve, and are expensive to insure... I'd rather start w/ an 6K old car that runs 14s and make it run 12s and pay 1K insurance a year than have to dump 3K a year to insure a 20K Camaro (although I'd take one if you're giving it to me /forums/images/icons/wink.gif)
As far as Chevy vs. Ford, I don't care, as long as it runs well enough to back up the owners mouth, speed is speed.

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And then there's us, the little 6-cylinder Mustang owners who don't have any speed... I'ev hopped it up as much as it'll hop...
 

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Ford did it to themselves. The reason i bought a vintage mustang is because they existed for a short period of time then went to hell. The camaro was an evolution. Then there is the thunderbird which was once positioned against the corvette and turned into a boat. Ford killed its history, a history now they are trying to rebuild.

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I'm gonna say, I like the mustang I think the 64.5-72 was beautiful, and 68 my fave.
Going from that, I tend to think old car folks respect each other. I've stopped and helped out a Chevelle owner...and been helped by a chevy truck owner.
We may growl on the surface, but deep down I've found people just like to see the old cars still on the road.


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