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Cleveland 302 fuel pump eccenteric(s)

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I am replacing my worn out 302 with one which used an electric fuel pump. I would like to use a mechanical fuel pump, but what looks like the eccentric on the newer engine is different. The old one appears to be machined. The one already on the newer engine looks like flat metal stamped into an L. Both timing chains are good, so can I use the eccentric already on the engine and save myself some trouble, or do I need to change it out? It looks to me like I need to change it out.

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Evosteve, if it were me, I'd go with the full round one. But why are you asking us about a Cleveland when both of your pictures are of a Windsor ? LSG
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The 302 Cleveland was available only in Australia. Back in the day a lot of 302 Cleveland heads were shipped to the states because they have 2V ports and very small, closed combustion chambers for high compression. (I have a set of those heads on my 351 Cleveland.) However, I've never seen a 302 Cleveland engine stateside. I'm sure they are around, but boy would they be rare. I'm thinking the OP is confused and actually has a 302 Windsor. This is certainly understandable since Ford engines can be very confusing. It's one of the reasons we love Fords and it's one of the reasons Fords tend to just scare the wits out of Chevy guys. :D
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for a mech FP the 2nd pic is correct
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for a mech FP the 2nd pic is correct
OK, thanks. I'll change it over. I have to wonder, however, what the deal is with the stamped metal one is about. Balance?
make sure you use some loctite and torque it down
OK, thanks. I'll change it over. I have to wonder, however, what the deal is with the stamped metal one is about. Balance?
The "partial" one shown is for EFI-equipped engines to take the place of the "normal" mechanical fuel pump eccentric and made that way not only for balance but to sling oil around the timing set assembly.

You'll also want to use a TWO PIECE eccentric with that timing set.
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All 302 Ford Engines were made in Cleveland, OH as were all 289 engines through 1965. I find it ironic that the Windsor name has stuck with the 289 & 302... I work a few miles from Engine Plant #1.. the complex is a shadow of what it once was... The Cast Iron Foundry, Aluminum Foundry and Engine Plant #2 have been torn down the last few years... The land where Engine Plant #2 is getting an Amazon warehouse built... its a shame... I knew numerous folks who worked there over the years... All the 351 Cleveland Engines and Boss 351 Engines were built at Engine Plant #2... along with all the roller cam 5.0 Liter...


221, 260, 289, 302
The 221, 260, 289 were originally designed for the Fairlane and produced only in the Cleveland engine plant from 1962-1965. The 1964 289 casting number for all 289s was C4OE-6015-C (later an F suffix). In 1965, this number was changed to C5AE-6015-E for the 289 2V, 4V and Hi-Po (note the change to full size Ford designation and 6 bolt bell housings).
In mid-year 1966 the Windsor plant also began producing 289s. The casting numbers for these were (C6AE-6015-C with a "289" and "WF" in the lifter valley. In 1967 both Cleveland and Windsor produced 289s using earlier year casting numbers but with updated date codes. These two blocks were interchangeable, but there were probably some minor differences. Near the end of the 1967 production run, Cleveland ran out of 289 blocks and substituted their new 302 block, C8-OE-6015-A and marked with 302 in the lifter valleys. This block wasn't intended to see action until 1968.
Note these 302 casting numbers returned to the intermediate size Ford or Fairlane lineage. Hence, a late model 289 coming from the Cleveland plant might have a 302 block with 289 innards. The Windsor plant had an abundance of 289 blocks for 1967. In 1968 Cleveland only made 302s, while Windsor continued with the 289s. It appears Windsor also tooled up for 302s but the plug was pulled before they got to make any.
They did however, design and produce a 302 block that was used on 289s after the stock of 289 blocks was depleted. The number was C8AE-6015-B with 302 marking in the lifter valley. At the very end of the model year some additional 289 blocks must have been discovered as the older C6AE-6015-C blocks appeared again. In 1969 Cleveland continued with 302 production. Windsor dropped 289 production and took up the 351. In 1970 Cleveland came out with its newly designed 351.​
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I find it ironic that the Windsor name has stuck with the 289 & 302...
Actually, I think it is trickle-back. Chatting with a Ford engineer, the Windsor association came from the 351W, and trickled back onto other similar designs. Likewise, he ran the Midland plant, and said in no uncertain terms that the 351M stands for Midland. Makes sense when you think about it. The public guessed at the meaning, and a magazine article said "modified", so Ford marketing grabbed it and ran with it in those days of weakness as a promotional term. Ford used the design or production plants for the associated names. 289/302 never had that issue, but Cleveland conflicted with the later 351C, so the Windsor name was attached for similarity and to keep confusion to a minimum. Well, that was his story anyway, and he's the type I believe.
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Actually, I think it is trickle-back. Chatting with a Ford engineer, the Windsor association came from the 351W, and trickled back onto other similar designs. Likewise, he ran the Midland plant, and said in no uncertain terms that the 351M stands for Midland. Makes sense when you think about it. The public guessed at the meaning, and a magazine article said "modified", so Ford marketing grabbed it and ran with it in those days of weakness as a promotional term. Ford used the design or production plants for the associated names. 289/302 never had that issue, but Cleveland conflicted with the later 351C, so the Windsor name was attached for similarity and to keep confusion to a minimum. Well, that was his story anyway, and he's the type I believe.
I've never called a 221-255-260-289-302 or 5.0 a "Windsor". If anything, they're a "Fairlane V8".
+1, and they (221 to 302) were never originally called any letter or name, just the cubes. Exceptions were specific things like 302 BOSS. Then again, today we see potentially interchangeable heads, fuel pumps, water pumps, etc, sold as "Windsor" for any size 221-351 block of the type, and stuff like that. I think the naming is another example of "colloquial" speech or terms to reduce confusion or increase identification traits (?).
I've always thought of 289s and 302s as 'baby Windsors'. LSG
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