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its funny how people equate going back to work, with people being *’s and going all willy nilly and doing whatever they want. The assumption is made that when people (I) talk about people getting back out and getting to work, the normal ASSumption is that everyone goes all out with no precautions and just run around infecting everyone with no care. It just solidified the irrational thoughts.....
 

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its funny how people equate going back to work, with people being *’s and going all willy nilly and doing whatever they want. The assumption is made that when people (I) talk about people getting back out and getting to work, the normal ASSumption is that everyone goes all out with no precautions and just run around infecting everyone with no care. It just solidified the irrational thoughts.....
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You're forgetting a huge part of what this was about, which was not overwhelming hospitals, so that they could actually treat people and save lives. You have zero idea what it would have been like if no measures were taken. Nobody does. Even experts like rpm. We've been on lockdown for a month and a half now and we still hit a million cases, which is more than there are hospital beds in our country. You have no clue how many it could have been if we put the economy first.

Nobody seemed to have a problem when banks and corporations destroyed the economy in 2008. I didn't see conservatives wanting to do a whole lot about that except let them reap the benefits and try again. Or what about 9/11? 3000ish people dead. How many of you were ready to give up rights to stop it from happening again or supported endless wars on abstract terms (hint: terrorism)?

Let's be realistic here. This is political. Logic and reason has nothing to do with it. The right answer to all of this, if there is one, probably doesn't follow a political ideology; and yet here we are with only two courses of action that fall exactly along party lines. Don't pretend like any of you are being logical and pragmatic. You've made your choice based on politics.
You like to make a lot of assumptions and pretend they’re facts. Hospitals here have been laying off in large numbers because they’re empty.

I don’t base people’s well being on politics, regardless of your poor assumption about the last crash. In my industry, I always care. Given I have hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up in my education to be in the trade I’m in, and will literally have to start over with a new career, because this one is so far devastated that it won’t recover before it’s time to retire, and so will over 100,000 other people just in one industry. You can make all the baseless assumptions you’d like, but it's not going to get you anywhere. The effects of this shutdown are going to negatively affect more people, 100 fold, than the virus would have. See, I can make assumptions too. There’s no rational discussion with someone who can equate something like driving drunk at 150 to returning to a normal life with precautions. It’s not even on the same map, but to be expected I suppose, with all the crap your slinging from left field that has nothing to do with it. Deflecting at its finest.
 

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You like to make a lot of assumptions and pretend they’re facts. Hospitals here have been laying off in large numbers because they’re empty.
You don't understand how hospitals are structured. They make a lot of money off of surgeries, many elective or non-emergency that can wait. All of that activity ceased and so they laid off people related to that. My roommate works in a hospital as an x-ray tech. Operating room x-rays pretty much stopped, so did a lot of the ortho- many people simply were avoiding Emergency Rooms for non-Covid related issues. As well as pretty much all neurology related CT and MRI scans. About the only thing they were doing were respiratory related chest x-rays, which were steadily coming in. So no, hospitals weren't laying people off because there were no Covid cases, hospitals laid people off because they stopped doing pretty much anything non-Covid related. Not everyone at a hospital works the ER, floors or ICU- in fact the majority do not.

There’s no rational discussion with someone who can equate something like driving drunk at 150 to returning to a normal life with precautions. It’s not even on the same map, but to be expected I suppose, with all the crap your slinging from left field that has nothing to do with it. Deflecting at its finest.
I did not compare driving drunk at 150 MPH to returning to a normal life, I compared it to someone taking zero precautions, perhaps breaking local laws, and putting others at risk because they feel like it. There is a HUGE difference.

You're also making assumptions about what I think about putting people back to work. I think we should, in an organized fashion, precisely as we're doing. I think there's a possibility that it's too soon, that there's potential for disaster, but I think that might be the case if it's now, a month from now or six months from now- and we can't stay shut down forever. But I don't think we should just do this all willy nilly like nothing has happened.

Mostly what I am taking exception to is these conspiracy theory level people not taking this seriously at all, just pretending it's all imaginary, and doing whatever they want when the consequence of them being wrong can affect other people. I didn't say that was you. It's specific people here- and I thought I was clear on that- but also other people out in the world, who seem more worried about a political agenda than anything else.

I already know two people who died of Covid-19. True, one was a grandma, but the other was in her later 30s, just like me. Never knew anyone who died from the flu.
 

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I don’t think the people included in this care much if you don’t know anyone who died from the flu Preliminary In-Season 2019-2020 Flu Burden Estimates

Just like the people who have died from CV19 don’t care that I don’t know anyone who has even tested positive for it, much less died. Condolences on your grandma. I lost mine this week as well. With the millions upon millions of people hitting the unemployment line, I bet we all know someone affected by that though.

Either way, the flu is another irrelevant curveball to anything I’ve said. I’m aware of how hospitals work, as my mom was a RN. More assumptions.
 

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So @GypsyR, are you simply going to let this thread continue because you started the thread?

If it hasn't broken the rules, you must be asleep. And I'll say it again, how the hell this forum let's people continue to throw politics into to every freaking debatable (yet non-political) issue with no consequence is seriously a major turn off.

The economy has been wrecked over this virus. People are going to die, it's a given. As a matter of fact, I bet we all do. Anyone care to make a wager?

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We're being bamboozled people, we're killing the entire nation's future to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and nothing more. You didnt hear everyone crying to shut it down in 2017-2018 when 48.8 million Americans had the flu, 959,000 of them were hospitalized because of it and 79,400 people died from it.

We will never get back the civil rights that we've relinquished. The socialists are getting their way in a backdoor fear mongering fashion and we're rolling over and letting it happen.
 

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Well, there you go. 6 week total for unemployment just topped 30,000,000 with 8,900,000-14,000,000 who have not claimed benefits yet. For something that’s only affecting a small fraction of 1% of the population.
 

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What do you think the difference is between 74k people dying over a two year period and 60k people dying over a 2 month period is? Don't buy the flu comparison, it's not close to the same.

Some of you should trade your masks for tinfoil hats, that'll protect you.
 

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What do you think the difference is between 74k people dying over a two year period and 60k people dying over a 2 month period is? Don't buy the flu comparison, it's not close to the same.

Some of you should trade your masks for tinfoil hats, that'll protect you.
I didn’t make a flu comparison, you did. I was showing you how ridiculous it is to say you don’t know anyone who has died of the flu, as if that means it never happens, but by all means keep up with the condescending ridiculousness. It keeps showing how you can’t carry on a rational debate with some people.
 

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Someone made the flu comparison two posts above mine, and I am not the first one who made the flu comparison in this thread. Why do you act like everything I say is directed at you? If I am talking to you, you'll know.

 

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you must be asleep.
Yes, I do have to sleep sometimes.
I had to nuke like three covid threads in a row. I started this one to show that the others weren't removed because they were about the virus, it was because they couldn't stay away from politics and devolved bickering. And once again....
 
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