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I totally agree. And there's a thing called mob mentality and it's real. Someone who WAS a peaceful protester might turn into a non-peaceful protester if everyone else is doing it. It happens. Look at sports riots. Why the hell would anyone, let alone hundreds of people, destroy something if their team won the big game? Human psychology is imperfect, often idiotic from the outside looking in. But also predictable. I just don't think you can say that riots and looting erase the original message of a protest. That's my position and I won't ever change it. Further, secondary to that I believe people who do think that rioting and looting erases the the original message of a protest are intentionally duped into thinking that way. That's it really.
 

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I can maybe see people rioting and looting grocery stores if the government locked them all and people were hungry, like Venezuela or some other socialist pit. When watching news I see some doofus running through a parking lot with a flat screen TV in a town with no power after a hurricane or a dingus climbing out of a store window with an arm load of cell phones, I just shake my head.
 

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You really need to separate all of this out. I don't usually address these cliche counter-points because they're always the same, and bringing them up in some sort of comparison isn't really valid because they are separate problems. Sometimes related. Sometimes just coincidence. Half your talking points go away if the cop who was killed was white. Him being black is coincidence here. At the end of the day he was a cop who was murdered while doing his job. It's a problem, equal to any, but it's a separate problem. We can multi-task our tragedies here. Their deaths are deaths. They are not counter to one another. They're both still dead people each deserving of the same amount consideration. Separate consideration.

I can't really say much more. I think I've said everything. I acknowledge that people think differently. I didn't think I could change your mind but, even though we sometimes get off on the wrong foot in these things, I value you enough to explain my way of thinking on this. I am satisfied with my analysis of these situations and I shared it. Maybe you acknowledged specific parts of what I said and agree a little bit on some things. Maybe not. But I think we're at the impasse here.
The killing I was referring to was a retired police chief, who was not in uniform, and was acting as a private citizen helping a friend protest his business. So he wasn't a cop killed doing his job, although there's a white cop in Vegas who was shot in the head during protests there. So the protesters are lying when they scream "black lives matter", cuz apparently only black lives killed by white cops matter. And that's both wrong, and very sad for them. And his death is directly related to the protests, no protests, no riots, and he's still alive. I wonder how they'd like to respond to that question.
And my last question about/for the protesters is, what is this justice you seek? The cops have been arrested, charged, and will stand trial, and likely be sentenced to jail. Sure sounds like justice and the system working correctly. So why are they still protesting if their demands for justice have been met? And believe it or not, that question actually came from a black female pt of mine this morning, while she was complaining about the protesters here in town looting and causing problems a thousand miles from where this happened.
 
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