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OK as most of you know I've had my engine out since December working on it. Tonight I got to the "try and start it phase" but I can't get it to start.

When I crank it I get a cylinder firing every couple of seconds. But in an hour of working with it, I never got it to really try to start.

I'm using the same carb (holley 600) and distributor (stock with Pertronix) that I had on before. The only thing I did to either was clean them up. I have new plugs and wires.

I verified that I am getting fuel to the holley. I'm getting a good squirt out of the accelerator pump. I also took the fuel line loose and cranked it and shot gasoline all the way across the engine bay.

I played with the timing moving it the entire adjustment range in 5 degree increments or so. Too far advanced and even the occasional sputter quit. Too far retarded and I got a couple of massive bangs out of the open headers. In the middle I could just get the intermitant sputtering.

So, I pulled off the passenger side valve cover to double check that I don't have the distributor in backwards. I rotated the engine clockwise until the timing pointer lined up with TDC on the balancer during the compression stroke (after the intake valve cycled closed then rotate crank clockwise as looking at it from the front of the car until the timing pointer lined up) Once I was to this position, I pulled the distributor cap and the rotor was pointed at about 1:30 if 12:00 is straight towards the rear of the car. This is about where the #1 wire is installed. I double checked the spark plug wires to make sure they are right. They are hooked up 15426378. I tried to double check that my comp cams p/n 31-238-3 XE262H-10 Cam uses that firing order (it says FORd 289-302-351W* on the cam card...I ASSUME that means it doesn't switch to the 5.0 firing order???) but their websight seems to be down.

I'm not sure what to check next. Any ideas?

TIA

Phil



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Did you wire it backwards? The rotor turns counterlcockwise so you need to wire from left to right on the distributor cap. Also, at TDC 1 has already fired so the rotor should be just past the #1 hole.


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Get some sleep man....The little one will be up in an hour or so...*G*

After double checking that the plug wires are indeed installed in CCW rotation, pre-time the engine with a timing light...set it at 10 degrees BTDC....you can pull the plugs if you want to make it easier to crank.... leave the plug wires on and you can verify the plugs are working...of course, ground them on something..*G*

You may find that your exuberant pumping and cranking just may have flooded the thing with gas.... by morning, it may just start right up....

We'll be gone to Knott's but I'll check the forum tomorrow night when we get back from the dinner...

Post what you discover tomorrow...good luck!

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Yeah. Looking at the top I've got #1 at 1:30, #5 at 12:00, etc. moving counter clockwise.

I made it to the comp cams sight and I don't see anything about firing order shown on the cam. It just lists the same information as the cam card. I'll 2x check that rotor position now. Thanks.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Phil

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Sounds like your getting fuel, how about compression? I was looking at the comp cams website they list
that cam for 1963-1995, maybe they are useing the late firing order 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8, wouldn't hurt to try!


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Hey, Phil. I just got on your site and went through the write-up you have on your "Power" project. Great Job!

There was one thing I noticed that may be causing your problem. I couldn't really tell from the picture, but it looked like the timing marks on both the cam sprocket and crank sprocket were pointed straight up. The correct way to line them up is to have the cam sprocket mark straight down, with the crank mark straight up so that they are only about an inch and a half apart when the timing chain is installed.

Like I said, I couldn't see it too well, but if the marks were not oriented to the closest proximity position (top one pointed down & bottom pointed up), this could cause the problem you described. I hope this is not the case. Good Luck!

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