[stangman69]

Since we're talking about relationship status and kids - married with 10 kids (9 girls...ages 16yo down to 2yo)...car has been a project for 20 years. I'm using a Foxbody A9L ECU, Painless standalone EFI harness, Explorer 5.0L fuel rail, Systemax EFI intake manifold, etc. I plan to tune via laptop and Quarterhorse chip for getting it roughly dialed in and then taking it to a dyno for a fine tune.

I'm after smooth drivability, fuel economy and jump-in-and-go reliability whatever the temp / elevation and I see zero reason to go backwards to a carb.

Nate

 

[stangman69]

As far as the expense of good EFI setups, watch FakeBook Marketplace. I've seen several complete kits posted up for reasonable prices. I went the semi-factory route because it works and is straightforward to tune (albeit with some added hardware) and it's simple to find parts for. I picked up half the parts super cheap (Foxbody guys looking to upgrade to the next level) and / or at the local pull-your-part (Foxbody accessory drive setup).

 

[stangman69]

…speaking of FiTech…in case anyone was interested, I saw this pop up…

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[stangman69]

LOL… so instead of 1980s+ TBI tech, you went with 1880s+ carburetor tech, and called TBI ancient.

I think @Huskinhano's point was if you're going to go EFI, don't hassle with old tech like TBI and just do it right and go with a MPFI style system. Clearly he's not opposed to old school if it works given his choice of a carb.

 

[stangman69]

I got that, but then jumping to MPFI ignores options that may fit a specific project better. That's part of the point, that "doing it right" does not mean only one way or method for anything or everything. It's not a "hassle" (and is typically easier) if it serves the purposes and goals best. And of course, I couldn't pass-up the irrelevant "ancient" comment.
With aftermarket fully-configurable and tunable ECMs under $200, EEC plus the box and software is "cheap" but not cheapest (if that's one of the project goals); nor can EEC do things aftermarket can, if those are again on your goals list. Different pros and cons to judge. This always circles-around to project goals, examining options and avoiding assumptions that can limit project success. You can never win an argument that something is always best (how this thread started), but you can use what checks the most goals boxes for the win. ☑
Thanks for that, and I hope it's useful. I have always felt that you don't have to learn everything for yourself, and the sharing of info is one way to avoid making the same mistakes others have. Please, learn from my mistakes, as I paid a lot for them. 🤬 VMF has a tone of doing this for each other. Having learned so much from others was invaluable for me, and I can't botch my karma by holding it back from others along the way. That's my thing.

Absolutely agree. End goals should drive the decision. In the OP's case, it sounded like he had a late model motor and his goal was 280-300HP. That should be achievable with a cam swap and running the stock computer with a tune. I'd trim the stock harness down and run in in standalone and get it tuned to delete the secondary O2 sensors. That would be the cheapest way to use the motor, harness, ECM that he can source from the donor vehicle. Swap the cam and then take it somewhere for a custom tune OR mail the ECM in.

Cheers!

 

[stangman69]

I was sad to see that Moates has shutdown.

Wait. What?!?

 

[stangman69]

Yep, a major provider to the Ford tuning community for generations of enthusiasts has closed their doors. I hope someone close to the Moates family will be able to revive the product line one day, otherwise we're all genuinely hosed!

Bummer. That was my planned direction - Moates QH - when the time came to fire this pile up. Looking at the Megasquirt right now. I’m pretty simple on my mods - 331, Ford-based MPFI (5.0L Fox and Exploder parts), NA…MS2 probably plenty for my current setup and anything I’m likely to add in the future. I’d like to maybe upgrade the heads and cam eventually and squeeze a few more out of this 331. Plus, sticking with an EEC4 / EEC5 platform let’s me keep the Painless harness I’ve got.