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At least he’s honest about it and welcomes people to come look at it. There is a 67 fastback that’s just a roof, qtrs and rockers that’s still together for $4k. Not sure how he’s getting the difference between the his price and dynacorn body.


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I honestly don’t think that’s a terrible price. People have paid plenty more for a roof-converted car before. If you sourced a cheap coupe that was pretty much all there, you could find yourself in a fairly affordable fastback. If you did the work yourself of course.
 

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I would be concerned what the heat did to the metal. It obviously was hot enough to melt the lead out of the seams so I don't know if anything is really usable. Whomever buys it is literally buying a title and 3 VIN stampings.
 

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From the pictures it looks like it got hot enough to warp the metal. Wont that much heat cause the sheet metal to become brittle? Like cobra94svt said, at least the seller us honest about it. I'm just bitter because I can't even afford this 67/68 fastback :)
 

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For another $6k you can have a dynacorn car. Not that hard to title. By the time you repair all the rust, and warped metal, you will have a dynacorn car anyway. Maybe $4500??


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I see potential here. I see a lot more than just a roof, vin, and title. It’s not something I would be interested in though. This car needs a lot of work, a lot of parts, and a trust fund to return to glory
 

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Cut the car through the roof pillars, and at the rear of the door opening, across the middle of the floor. Sell the 1 piece floor pan. Save any fastback parts of the floor, etc.

Buy a rust free coupe, as complete as possible. In the Dallas area, they can be had for $800 or less, rolling, quasi complete.

Cut the identical section off coupe, weld it back, transfer any fastback brackets and VIN to the REPAIR PANEL. If you are lucky, it would still have the wiring, even AC, etc. in the dash, maybe suspension, wiring, lines, in the front clip.

Soda blast the back, prime the whole thing.
 

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post is now deleted. Did someone on here buy it and take mustangerbob's advice....

I've been watching that for a few days. A vicitim of the Bastrop fires.
 

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Really? Some of you guys are advocating fraud.

Ask yourself this question: If you bought a Mustang fastback and later found it had been cobbled together from a coupe, 3 vin stampings and a title, how would you feel?

Like you had been ripped off I bet.
 

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Really? Some of you guys are advocating fraud.

Ask yourself this question: If you bought a Mustang fastback and later found it had been cobbled together from a coupe, 3 vin stampings and a title, how would you feel?

Like you had been ripped off I bet.
I was using a coupe as a representative item. The front clip is the same between a couple and fastback. It is not fraud, it is repair.

The majority of the car is the fastback. Would you feel better is the car was clipped, and a bunch of repair panels from China used to build it, because everything in a front half (not just a coupe) can be bought as reproduction.

This type of REPAIR PANEL was sold by Ford years ago: No fraud there.

https://www.cjponyparts.com/cj-classics-full-shock-tower-assembly-driver-side-1965-1966/p/3630Q/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0-KN2tey4wIVk7rACh0PewEREAQYBSABEgKmVvD_BwE

Cars are routinely clipped and halves put together.

Not fraud. Extensively repaired, not fraud.

Everyone loves to quote a (1), but this is B 2 (B) (C)

18 U.S. Code § 511. Altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers
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(a) A person who—
(1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part; or
(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle, knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(b)
(1) Subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration by a person specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection (unless such person knows that the vehicle or part involved is stolen).
(2) The persons referred to in paragraph (1) of this subsection are—
(A) a motor vehicle scrap processor or a motor vehicle demolisher who complies with applicable State law with respect to such vehicle or part;
(B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary for the repair;
(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law; and
(D) a person who removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act, if that person is the owner of the motor vehicle, or is authorized to remove, obliterate, tamper with or alter the decal or device by—
(i) the owner or his authorized agent;
(ii) applicable State or local law; or
(iii) regulations promulgated by the Attorney General to implement the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act.
 

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Bob, if you walked into the Texas DMV and told them you had a title, vin stamping and parts of a car that you want to install on a car that has a different vin, and that you want to replace that second vin with the first vin: What advice would the DMV give you?

Playing hocus pocus with titles and vins is fraud and dishonest, regardless of the spin or loopholes to justify the reasoning.
 

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Bob, if you walked into the Texas DMV and told them you had a title, vin stamping and parts of a car that you want to install on a car that has a different vin, and that you want to replace that second vin with the first vin: What advice would the DMV give you?

Playing hocus pocus with titles and vins is fraud and dishonest, regardless of the spin or loopholes to justify the reasoning.

I don't see where Bob said anything about transferring the Fastback VIN to the Hardtop. He only said to transfer the roof. Transferring the VIN would be illegal.


FWIW- I asked a Texas Auto Theft Agent about using a Dynacorn body assembly as a replacement part for a rusted out Mustang and he told me that since the Dynacorn is not a titled vehicle that is not illegal. So whomever bought the burned out '67 may plan on doing that. However I don't see that it's economically feasible (at least not now) because those Dynacorns are up in price to almost $20K now. By the time you bought everything else to complete the car you'd have $50K invested and '67 Fastbacks aren't selling that high.
 

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Thats not how I read his post. A coupe to fastback conversion or repair panels are all legit. Its when you transfer a vin and make it appear as if the vin is original to the panel that is a problem. Its also a problem if you cut out a vin and replace it with a different vin. Again, IMO its the intent. Vins are there for a reason.

IMO, when doing anything with a vin, contact your state DMV for guidance. Yes, you will probably get different answers from different people or different answers from the same person on different days. I see that here in Georgia all the time.

What if I had a badly wrecked K-code or original GT350 and I transfered the front end, driver door and associated parts to a T-code. Is it a legit repair or deception?
 

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Yes, I have repaired vehicles involving moving the VIN in Texas, and yes, worked the the DPS, and yes, no problem of cutting and welding. They wanted to see both titles, showed the parts were the same, and no issue at all.

Using the same concept:

The fastback shown was a 67, and if one replaced front frame rails, shock towers, front and rear aprons, core support etc., basically the front clip: VIN issue ?

But if it would have been a 1968, replacing the same thing would have no impact on the VIN area, but it is the exact same parts? Logic

What about putting a 1968 front clip on a 1967 ? What then, no VIN anywhere?

What about putting a 1967 clip on a 1968: Dueling VIN's? Is the front clip the "car" in 1967 and the "dash area" the car in 1968 ? If the 67 was a GT350 and the 68 was a GT500, would the merger be a GT150, GT425, or GT850?

Then, if you want to go off into the weeds, there are 3 cars, all legitimately titled, all with the same factory stamped VIN, which started off life as a single car, but were not titled in the same state.



We have had the discussion before, and most people quote opinion or thoughts, few have ever repaired a vehicle and gotten guidance from the state title office, DPS for Texas.

Where does it end?

Replacing everything in front of the VIN stamp: No issue.?

Replacing everything behind the VIN stamp? No issue
 

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What if I had a badly wrecked K-code or original GT350 and I transfered the front end, driver door and associated parts to a T-code. Is it a legit repair or deception?
Legal. It's collision repair. As others have said keeping the VIN is required and your state DMV will let you know how to do that. That said unless you tracked down a bunch of dated coded parts and restored it to day one standards it's not going to be a pedigreed car. If it even was in the first place. As others have said if you charge for good parts and labor you'll have too much into it to sell it and not take a beating. At that point it's probably best to sell it as a tribute but you'd still take a beating. In this case I'd rather spend $20k on a roller with the original cores and start from there. And I'd still probably take a beating if the goal was to sell. Someone that knows is going to pass on this one and someone that doesn't isn't likely going to be able to finish it.

Wonder who bought it and for how much? Using it as a back half on a coupe as a clone seems to be the most reasonable use but for that shell the asking price was a bit steep.
 
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