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Well the city council has apparently tasked the metro transit authority to cattle prod most everybody out of your personal vehicles and in to public transportation.


It wasn't enough to just tax people by how many miles you drive because a lot of people will just suck it up, drive and pay the tax. The plan being looked at is to GPS track all personal vehicles in the target area and on the target highways/freeways 24/7 and accumulate penalties for driving your personal vehicle. They may also clock how much time you spend on that particular stretch of highway and the penalty will be pro-rated by what time of day you are on the penalty road.



So, you are out there in your vehicle on a target highway trying to drive to work at a brisk pace of about 2 miles per hour. Imagine how much that is going to cost you 2 times a day, 5 times a week and so on in rush hour traffic. It will be so expensive that most average people won't want to pay it. Wealthy people won't care.


They claim that this is for the 2028 Olympics specifically but I don't believe that. Right now since it is the MTA it is obviously targetting metro LA but I could see this going county and then state wide so we don't leave the CTA out of the deal or other large metro's in California.


I guess those green electric vehicles are not going to be an advantage any more. They are also looking to penalize Uber and Lyft so you can't dodge this using them either. The public transportation fees are probably going to have to go up to compensate for the lost gas purchase revenues. You will have to pay the MTA. Its not like they have given you any other choice now unless you build your own personal flying car of some sort.

I haven't found any information on old vehicles that don't have GPS. You are likely going to have to install it if this gets approved. If they can assemble the tech to make it work, I am confident that it will be approved. Also, people that don't pay their vehicle penalties are likely to get their license pulled. I can see a booming future market for vehicle GPS blockers, LOL. If they track your vehicles and your use of public transportation though you will likely get caught sooner or later.
 

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^ This will never happen.
 

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WTF, pardon my French. We moved from CA to AZ in 2016, couldn't be happier. I did not think it could get worse than the Brown administration, guess I was really wrong on that one. There was once talk of CA seceding from the US. When you consider the excessive sound ordinance, highway taxes, and now big brother taxing your driving too, they are going to drive the wealthy, educated, retired, and working folks from the state. It won't be necessary to declare CA a sanctuary state as the only residents will be illegal and the liberal politicians.
 

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the mta is pissed because most of their riders are illegal aliens. when jerry brown allowed them to get a drivers license they bought cars and stopped ridding the buses. mta will loose a lot of its tax subsidies so they want another way to make money. also when the illegals got a drivers license the ones that live 1/2 mile from me clogged up our street with their cars cause they have about 10 people living in each apartment.
btw activist Jay Bieber is on the board at our neighborhood council. Jay has been fighting against and is on the John and Ken show on KFI radio AM 640 sometimes. John and Ken are also fighting this mileage tracking stuff.













 

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I must be physic, I foresaw this coming about ten years ago and left. Actually they can't let Oregon, or Cal North as some call it, get all the glory on highway tolls and taxes.
 

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Trust me. I can't tell you how I know, but I know.... regarding macstang's original post.
And in general the state's BS tends to be more insidious because it's conducted with more subterfuge.
(like SB1, rider bill attacks on Prop 13 and the DMV's special smog screening via STAR and mobile dyno)
 

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Some people will believe anything...

Loosen the foil and get some facts. You guys need to give the California bashing a rest. It comes from people that have never been there, never lived there or know nothing about it. The post is so not right it's not even wrong.
 

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I lived and worked in SoCal for 10 years and about a forth of my entire career in systems and technology at Toyota, USA in Torrance. They are in Plano now. The truth is not bashing. California is now rated dead last in the country for quality of life. Getting people out of their private vehicles is part of agenda 2030 which California has adopted. Never say it can never happen here.
 

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People will keep moving to California. Best weather, best economy.

That's strange. A month ago I drove from Yucaipa to Texas on I10 and passed a few U-Hauls and pickups loaded down with household goods heading eastbound. I didn't see a single one headed westbound. It appears the only people moving to CA are the illegals.
 

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People will keep moving to California. Best weather, best economy.
For now, however eventually the state economy will collapse. It has come close before with the market of 2008, it is just a matter of time when it will. California is one of the states that, at times, the number of people leaving has exceeded those arriving, with the exception of the illegals. You cannot support a indigent flood without those paying high taxes. So when enough of those paying taxes, both individual and corporations, leave, the state is done.
 

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Some people will believe anything...

Loosen the foil and get some facts. You guys need to give the California bashing a rest. It comes from people that have never been there, never lived there or know nothing about it. The post is so not right it's not even wrong.
I lived there for 61 years, so I think I have a right to bash the heck out of the fools in Sacramento.
 

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I lived and worked in SoCal for 10 years and about a forth of my entire career in systems and technology at Toyota, USA in Torrance. They are in Plano now. The truth is not bashing. California is now rated dead last in the country for quality of life. Getting people out of their private vehicles is part of agenda 2030 which California has adopted. Never say it can never happen here.
Been here since 1985..... not going anywhere just yet but we will also leave CA at retirement. (massive liberalism and just the overall non-friendliness, without
even getting into the fiscal motivations)
There are still a lot of people heading toward CA and it's not all illegals. I don't have the numbers in front of me but it is a surprising but factual statement.
CA can try all they want to get people out of their personal vehicles and it won't work..... there are MANY reasons, none of which I'm listing (but there
are two real difficult truths that are inescapable- it's a big state/there is no viable alternative to driving and we are truly YEARS away from autonomous
vehicles in tech and acceptance).
I belong to a government lobbying group as part of the OE aspect of my automotive job, so these subjects are not foreign to me.
 

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Some people will believe anything...

Loosen the foil and get some facts. You guys need to give the California bashing a rest. It comes from people that have never been there, never lived there or know nothing about it. The post is so not right it's not even wrong.
Born and lived my first 35 years there. Without a doubt we leaving the state in 1995 was one of the best decisions we have made in our 35 years together. And, California today is not what it was in 1995 but the trajectory was clear. She SoCal, me NorCal, college CenCal...
 

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I actually kinds believe what macstang posted. Because, one:

"Hey, the buses need to raise their rates and the road department needs more money too."
"Well, we can't ask for more money right now, the voters will scream."
"OK, let's think up a semi-insane plan to monetarily penalize the heck out of everybody in the name of something or other that will freak just about everybody right the hell out. THEN when everyone gets totally riled up about that we back it down to just asking for a little more money for the buses and roads."
"Yep, let's do that. Works every time."
"Or people might even run with the crazy plan and we would get the money that way. We can't lose!"

And/or because, two:

As my Grandpa liked to say sometimes; "There's nothing so stupid somebody won't try to do it."

And three:

The road to hell is paved...

If you look at it those ways, it kind of adds up doesn't it? :)
 
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