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Hi, I am going to buy a 1967 GTA Fastback from a guy I know and he says it's #'s matching. How do I tell??? By the way it's a 390, with 4 speed.
 

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honestly to me if your not going to put your cars in shows or restore it to concours condition, then it shouldnt make a difference if its Num. matching or not..... i could be wrong but did ford even put a 390 in a 67??

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Numbers matching simply means that all parts on the car are correct for the car. All sheet metal should have date codes several months prior to the build date of the car, the engine block should have the car serial # stamped on it, possibly the trans as well.

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Yes 390 in 67 . "S" code in the vin should be the 5th character. Check the Vin#
and come here and we can tell you what motor it is suppose to have in it.

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A lot of people are putting in there ads that there car is numbers matching. This really only matters to GM products. Maybe Chysler too, not sure. GM put the vehicle serial number of the car on the block. Mustangs have only had the casting numbers and built dates for the item [re: intake build date- not the cars]. So as long as the build dates are fairly close to the cars, they are assumed to be correct.
1967 had a 390. The code should be "S".
No Ford motor or transmission has had a vehicle serial number since Model "T"s. Even the Flathead V8s had only a transmission stamp that had the vehicles serial number. I'm not to sure of the 292/312 "Y" blocks though.

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a common misconception is that the VIN is stamped on the block /trans of every car. 'numbers matching' really only applies to certain cars, for instance 69, 70 boss 302s/boss 429s, 65-70 shelbys and i think most K code mustangs from 65-67 as far as the C and A code 289s and the 390s and other motors, the 'numbers matching' really isnt the right term, only that the date codes throughout the car, are within an acceptable range prior to the cars actual assembly. am i missing anything ? good luck

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Thanks for all the help, so what should I look for when I go to buy it, cause I would like to put it in a show or two but not really expecting to win I don't assume. I think it would be cool if it did though.... So yeah what are the signs to look for when buying? It's a car from an old guy that couldn't pay his bills anymore and the bank liquidated his assets.
 

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Believe you will find that original engines and trans were stamped with a partical VIN starting in 68 not just high performance engines. Sources for this include various sources including auto recovery and police text books of the period. We also have reference and tons of examples of 4 speed trans before this date being marked with a full VIN.

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Got lots of engine and trans (all Ford's) with Full and Partical VIN's on them. Must not be looking in the right spot ;)

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Its a very over used term IMHO. And its "true" application depends on the year in question and the person using the term Easy to ask "what do you mean by matching numbers?"

In 64-67 this "often" (in the narrowest terms) means that all of the parts on the car were made in a relative time period before the car was assemblied/built. If the model had a K code engine or 4 speed trans I would want to see a VIN on these two items

In 68-up I would include (with the above description) a partical VIN on all engines and 4 speeds (often automatics also)

Many of the cast (not all) and stamped parts can be coded to day they were made. The coding varies depending on what part it is. Some indicate the month, day and year while others indicate shift

Hope this helps. The subject always seems to bring about some discussion and it have been discussed on this board a number of times. Good luck with the car

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