I don't disagree. My 6 (2 are missing) old rusted bolts on there now keep the headers on. It is the fact that they will look good and stay looking good that makes me want them. My engine is detailed except for the headers and I would like to keep it that way. If there are other options, let me know. The bolt s that came with the headers will rust over time and that is what I am trying to avoid.Theyre kind of overkill for most cars. I find that if I retorque once after installing/reinstalling headers, they dont loosen up.