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The 15" Tire "What is left that's actually good???" Thread

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One of my older threads kind of started in with this, and I thought it better to move to a new thread since the old thread was actually supposed to be about 17" wheels.

So here it is - a thread dedicated to people giving input on the BEST 15" TIRES STILL AVAILABLE AS OF NOW IN 2022.

Let's face it, 15" tires are getting pretty scarce, especially the good ones. Almost every tire is fine for just putt-putting around, but very few are truly good for bailing you out in a hairy situation, and the number is dwindling. So, let's talk about them.

This is not a place for "well they haven't blown up yet, and they are fine for getting ice cream five times a year at 35 MPH or less" tires. This is not a place for "well ten years ago they made these amazing tires and I'm still running them even though they've been discontinued for 10 years" tires. This is a place for us to compare tires that are truly good for driving (street or mild track, wet/dry weather, corner carving, etc.) - or, weigh in if you've tried some absolutely awful tires that you need to warn people away from!

I will start with my data. My car, Jane, a 1966 Fastback. I have tried three tires. I will list their relevant specs, and what I thought of them.

Wheels: 15x6" Wheel Vintiques Styled Steel Wheels, 4.25 backspacing

Tires:
1) BFG Radial T/A. Absolutely the worst and I'm not even going to put its specs here because no one should have these tires unless they are truly only putt-putting around in low-traffic areas.
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2) Firestone Indy 500 Firehawk. Used 2011-2022. DISCONTINUED (which is why I've got this thread going now, actually)
Tire, SizeUTQGLSpeed/LoadRim Width Range "Meas. Rim Width "Section Width "Tread Width "
Firestone Indy 500 Firehawk, 215/65/15500AB95S6.0-7.56.58.566?? (can't find spec)

Feedback: I truly loved these tires. They were very comfortable rides, always confidence-inspiring. They would get a little squeaky on sharp corners but never let go. Never darted or followed imperfections in the road. Wore surprisingly quickly, and got about 40,000 miles out of them, which I didn't really consider to be that bad. Pretty decent in the rain although they would skate in very deep puddles. I took them through the worst monsoons I've ever driven through and they didn't let me down so I have to say I was happy with them. Cosmetically, they were also great, nice donut shape on the narrower wheel (how I prefer it), RWL were great. But alas, they are discontinued. Therefore, they are only included here for a comparison point as a tire that I was happy with.
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3) Cooper Cobra Radial T/As. Used 2022-present.
Tire, SizeUTQGLSpeed/LoadRim Width Range "Meas. Rim Width "Section Width "Tread Width "
Cooper Cobra Radial T/A, 215/65/15440AB95T6.0-7.56.58.46.3

Feedback: I put these tires on in October 2022, and took them to Big Bend for a week (2000 mile round trip). They were... okay. They do not feel planted the way the Firehawks did, although they did seem to break in a little bit and were better on the drive home than the drive out. They may get better with wear but considering that the average vintage car owner rarely puts a thousand miles on their car in a year, it bothers me that these tires (which are geared towards classic cars) should need so much of a break-in period. They are bouncy feeling and tend to wander, especially over uneven surfaces or in high wind. No feedback on rain yet. I'm surprised because the treadwear rating should seem to indicate that they are stickier, but they really don't feel that way. They also run noticeably smaller than the Firehawks (although it might be that the Firehawks actually ran large). Still, they are probably the best for RWL tires that can be acquired at any of the major tire shops.
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Okay, so that's what I've got so far to contribute - not really that much considering one tire is hated, and one has been discontinued, leaving me with only one actual contribution! Lol. But that's where you guys come in.

Next post from me will be a list of interesting 15" tires I've found, and I'd really like to hear feedback from anyone who's tried them - or if you have other tires to throw into the fray, please do!

(I also know that Zray is going to chip in with a plug for the extraordinarily expensive Avons, and he should know that they are no longer listed for sale by Avon in the US)
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I ran BFG TAs since the 70s and even as DD
In horrible NE winters. Never ever had any issue. They were quiet as well. Tread wear was fabulous

Last fall for a change of pace I put on Cooper Cobras.
Only been a few hundred miles but I see no issues. Rides just as well. No real noise.
Handles just as well.

To be honest I couldn't tell them apart if I didn't physically see them
I ran BFG TAs since the 70s and even as DD
In horrible NE winters. Never ever had any issue. They were quiet as well. Tread wear was fabulous

Last fall for a change of pace I put on Cooper Cobras.
Only been a few hundred miles but I see no issues. Rides just as well. No real noise.
Handles just as well.

To be honest I couldn't tell them apart if I didn't physically see them
what was the difference in price?
what was the difference in price?
I paid $145 each installed and balanced including tax and disposal fee
I have the Hankook Kinergy PT. No complaints on ride or handling for the price, but I'm not an aggressive driver and have essentially no drive time in the rain. My dislike is the sidewall design. There are several sections with small ridges at different angles, causing a glistening effect when the light hits it. Doesn't look good to me. Maybe these are better suited for non-chrome wheels. Not into the white letters anymore, but the T/As have a much better, smoother look. These are 205/65-15.
Nice to be able to see what they look like. I don't really mind the ribbed/textured sidewall design that much.
As the thread appears to be winding down (possibly... these things always revive in the most unlikely ways...) here's my sum-up of what I'm hearing from people.

Likely best options based on discussion: General Altimax RT43 (or replacement RT45), or Vitour Galaxy

Comments on General Altimax:
  • Everyone else who doesn't drive a classic really likes these tires
  • They are great in the rain
  • They are comfy, nice ride and good longevity

Comments on the Vitour Galaxy:
  • Great treadwear rating and high speed rating
  • Good reviews by users
  • Modern tread
  • But it's made in China so maybe that matters

Honorable mention goes to the Yokohama Avid and Hankook Kinergy, both of whom are briefly mentioned and reported to be "above average across the board".

Dishonorable mention to the much-maligned BFG Radial T/A, which as predicted, has somehow become the main topic of discussion here even though we all can agree at the very least that it is not a high-tier tire in any respect.

I am currently torn between the Generals, Hankooks, and the Vitours. If I got the Vitours, I could put them on and be done, but they are a relatively new tire and no one can report on true longevity which is something that's important to me (I don't care if it's out of tread in 30k miles, but I do care if it explodes viciously after a certain amount of wear). If I got the Generals or the Hankooks, I would feel confident in a proven tire, but I'd need to find RWL stickers for them (yeah, I'm that guy) and they might not be as sticky as the Vitours.

I will continue making no decision until the Coopers bug me enough to do something about it :)
After some more websurfing and pondering these tires I am leaning more towards General Altimax with Yokohama and Hankook close runner up choices.

That Galaxy tire looks too generic with the wonky unevenly spaced lettering that is not placed at 6 and 12 o'clock. Looks sorta like a print format error. Although i didn't notice that at first until it was pointed out, now I can't unsee it.

You could recoup most of the money spent on the Cobras if you sell them while they are still basically new.

This thread could pick up again with some more responses after the holidays.
As a note about the Vitour Galaxys - I noticed that some Amazon reviews mentioned that the spacing is now 180* apart, instead of the tire being divided in thirds with only 2/3 white letter. The Performance Tire website also shows them with the usual 180*-apart white letter spacing (similar to BFG / Cooper Cobras). I believe that they have changed the design after complaints.

Those Hankook Kinergys do have very fancy sidewall designs! Lol. Didn't know they were like that - not something you can see in the manufacturer photos. Good info to have in case that matters to someone!
I have the Hankook Kinergy PT. No complaints on ride or handling for the price, but I'm not an aggressive driver and have essentially no drive time in the rain. My dislike is the sidewall design. There are several sections with small ridges at different angles, causing a glistening effect when the light hits it. Doesn't look good to me. Maybe these are better suited for non-chrome wheels. Not into the white letters anymore, but the T/As have a much better, smoother look. These are 205/65-15. View attachment 873349 View attachment 873350 View attachment 873351
Yep I understand the disappointment in the sidewall design on that one.

I wish someone would repop the old Yoko AVS Intermediates. I had those on my '90 SHO, back in the day, great traction and stick around corners. Great 15" selection.
Looks like those are RT43's by the tread design? AltiMAX™ RT43 ; https://www.tirerack.com/tires/general-altimax-rt43 I wonder if both sides look the same? 600 AB - 215 sizes are T rated; 600 AA - 225 is H rated.

They were replaced by the RT-45 in General's lineup in 2022. AltiMAX™ RT45 says it's available in Outlined White Letter (OWL) and Black Sidewall (BSW) but doesn't specify if that's in all sizes and no pics of the OWL I can find.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/general-altimax-rt45
Overview review of the R45
Looks like those are RT43's by the tread design? AltiMAX™ RT43 ; https://www.tirerack.com/tires/general-altimax-rt43 I wonder if both sides look the same? 600 AB - 215 sizes are T rated; 600 AA - 225 is H rated.

They were replaced by the RT-45 in General's lineup in 2022. AltiMAX™ RT45 says it's available in Outlined White Letter (OWL) and Black Sidewall (BSW) but doesn't specify if that's in all sizes and no pics of the OWL I can find.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/general-altimax-rt45
Overview review of the R45
Sidewall is much too busy for my taste. Why do they feel the need for the billboard avertising?
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Sidewall is much too busy for my taste. Why do they feel the need for the billboard avertising? View attachment 873594
You pretty much nailed it on the second part of your post. Free advertising for them after you paid for the tires. Just like when dealerships rivet their nameplate onto a vehicle.
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I don't pay much attention to the sidewalls of my tires other than how far they are rolling over autocrossing but I think painting in the General logo might make it look ok? I gotta say I've never seen a tire made in so many sizes and so many countries! https://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec...MRT45&ef_id=Y6uCIwAABebNgDvE:20221227233915:s
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You pretty much nailed it on the second part of your post. Free advertising for them after you paid for the tires. Just like when dealerships rivet their nameplate onto a vehicle.
Unless you can mount the tire with the (back) black wall side showing and see a nice plain tire, I'm not interested. I tried the raised white letters showing, but as soon as the new white letters got their first roadrash I had them all flipped around. The BFGs are non-directional so you can do whatever you want. Simple and clean. I'm 80% sure another set of BFGs will fit the bill perfectly next month when these time out at 10 years.
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Sidewall is much too busy for my taste. Why do they feel the need for the billboard avertising? View attachment 873594
Have ya thought of sanding them down flush?
Have ya thought of sanding them down flush?
I have not.

To clarify, the BFGs have minimal "billboard" design on the T/As, making them an easy choice. The General Tire mentioned above has too much going on.

As for sanding the sidewall, not sure I want to buy a new set of tires and experiment on them. Also, not sure if that would nullify the tire warranty.

Chris
I'm 80% sure another set of BFGs will fit the bill perfectly…..”
it’s the 20% (apparently) not “sure” of fitting the bill that is concerning…..

;)

Z
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it’s the 20% (apparently) not “sure” of fitting the bill that is concerning…..

;)

Z
The 20% chance of not buying another set of BFGs, would be a tire that:

Has a plane jane sidewall,
Is superior to the BFGs,
Within the price range of the BFGs
Made in America

I really like my BFGs, but merely suggest that I'm open to purchasing something else if it meets my above criteria.

Chris
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I'm guessing the multilayer etched side wall thingy will be a thing until it isn't.
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The fancy sidewall patterns on recent tires are not really something I see as a problem. On a black wall tire it doesn't really stand out and isn't very noticeable.

My Cooper CS5's have some of that but not as much as some of the others. Wish these were still available.

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