I dropped the 351 W 4v back into my 69 Mach this weekend, and have been trying desperately to get the starter to go in. Here is the deal - This is a 69, 351 W, 4spd. When I got the car it had a 74 FMX in it. I am going back original so I got the bell housing, flywheel, pressure plate, so I could go ahead and put the engine back in the car, and bolt the starter up. I got the correct starter (so I'm told) for the 69 351 4v manual 4spd application (I am also told that the 65-73 289, 302, and 351 all take this same starter). The bendix is recessed farther than the one in the automatic tranny starter, as it should be. I seem to have two problems though, 1) the "collar" at the base of the starter nose is about 1/16-1/32 too big to fit through the hole in the new spacer plate for the manual tranny, and 2) the nose seems to be too short to clear the ring gear. I tried the auto starter, and the "collar" does fit, so it is obviously smaller in diameter, but its the wrong starter for the application (Isn't it?) and the nose looks like it would clear the ring gear, but it probably wouldn't be able to disengage the bendix. HELP...I'm getting hacked off here! Have I not cussed this thing enough or what!?!?!?-Or do ALL of the local parts stores have it wrong?