[RudeMan]

Thanks for all the replies folks. As some of you know and are guiding me through a full cowl replacement and while I’ve got my column removed it’s an obvious time to address and old loose box and any other steering issues. I still like the simplicity of the Borgeson solution and eliminating the control valve (that I just freakin purchased) but I think I’m going to reach out to CHOCK as a first step. I’m certainly happy to use the stock system as long as I can get it working well and get some longevity out of it without aggravation if that is attainable. I turned 60 today so I guess I just went from middle aged to officially old or something like that. Is it too much to ask for a decent steering experience?

 

[RudeMan]

If I was going to change from manual to power ,I wouldn`t do it ! Too much money for what you get.

It almost makes me want to change back to manual but I understand that’s pretty involved as well.

 

[englishman]

My opinion - and it's based on some experience!

If you have original equipment P/S and it's sloppy AND you wish to retain P/S then have a good quality rebuild on the original system, then add as much caster as necessary to get good directional stability.
The absolute key is good condition good quality balljoints, bushes, tierod ends and getting the caster, camber and toe set up as per SoT or Opentracker dimensions.

Adding EPAS to a sloppy non-power set-up will give you light but still sloppy steering. (I did this to a 1990's TVR Griffith and had to replace the non-power rack after the EPAS was installed)....

The Borgensen set-up looks appealing, but there's enough negative feedback to discourage me.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

 

[drjrr]

I had stock steering in my 1966 convertible. That was never an issue when I was younger and with biased tires. I put the Borgeson on my car 3 years ago and I kick myself for not doing it sooner. For me it's a no brainer. I've had no trouble with it and really enjoy the drive more. For me, it was worth the price.

Can anyone give me the benefit of their experience with the Borgesen power steering conversion with their 65/66 or other. I currently have power steering with the standard box, pump and a new control valve which I haven’t had much success with. I’d love to get that clunky control valve out of the loop but have some questions first:

Is the Borgesen box a significant step up from the standard b

what is the all in cost if I’ve already got the standard pump ?

I’ve got a new control valve, that has been used for a few weeks. is there a market for it and roughly what’s it worth ?

What’s the cost of just rebuilding the existing box?

thanks community for your opinions.

 

[RudeMan]

I had stock steering in my 1966 convertible. That was never an issue when I was younger and with biased tires. I put the Borgeson on my car 3 years ago and I kick myself for not doing it sooner. For me it's a no brainer. I've had no trouble with it and really enjoy the drive more. For me, it was worth the price.

Thanks drjrr. I appreciate your experience. I will be going to 215s or even 225s. That’s a factor I didn’t mention in my initial post. Not sure it would have changed the outcomes of any of the replies. It seems like both systems can work well if installed properly. At least that’s what this thread seems to be indicating.

 

[zray]

Dup

 

[zray]

“….. It seems like both systems can work well if installed properly. At least that’s what this thread seems to be indicating.

oh the times, they are a-changin’ ….a hard rains gonna fall.

in Argentina I do not trust. History provides a lesson only if one knows it.

Z

 

[supershifter2]

oh the times, they are a-changin’ ….a hard rains gonna fall.

in Argentina I do not trust. History provides a lesson only if one knows it.

Z

I know a girl named Tina. Hey , arng en Tina ?

 

[supershifter2]

I need to get a housing and see if I can make it fit. This would be really nice. Imagine that , part of a plastic pig on my gnatsuM.

https://leepowersteering.com/collections/gearboxes/products/delphi-vet-blueprinted-gearbox-

12-chevy-corvette

 

[Woodchuck]

Thanks drjrr. I appreciate your experience. I will be going to 215s or even 225s. That’s a factor I didn’t mention in my initial post. Not sure it would have changed the outcomes of any of the replies. It seems like both systems can work well if installed properly. At least that’s what this thread seems to be indicating.

I got 215/65's, 16:1 box, Shelby Quick-Steer and wouldn't trade it for all the power steering in China....

 

[Bad66GT]

I’ve got SOT suspension, rebuilt steering ram(control box) from Chock, roller bearing idler arm, 225F/17 tires and recommend alignment. It went from sloppy n loose to now having great feel. My box only has a little over 100k on it but will send to Chock to have it rebuilt this year. Only plans are to add the quick steer kit to it.

Overall when done right, you’ll be happy.

Chris

 

[RudeMan]

My opinion - and it's based on some experience!

If you have original equipment P/S and it's sloppy AND you wish to retain P/S then have a good quality rebuild on the original system, then add as much caster as necessary to get good directional stability.
The absolute key is good condition good quality balljoints, bushes, tierod ends and getting the caster, camber and toe set up as per SoT or Opentracker dimensions.

Adding EPAS to a sloppy non-power set-up will give you light but still sloppy steering. (I did this to a 1990's TVR Griffith and had to replace the non-power rack after the EPAS was installed)....

The Borgensen set-up looks appealing, but there's enough negative feedback to discourage me.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

I know I’m gonna feel stupid for asking but what is EPAS ?

 

[Bad66GT]

I know I’m gonna feel stupid for asking but what is EPAS ?

Electric power assisted steering..using an electric motor attached to the steering column instead of a pump and hardware.

Chris

 

[blueovalfan68]

I know I’m gonna feel stupid for asking but what is EPAS ?

Electric Power Assist Steering


Sent from the interwebs... where else?

 

[RudeMan]

I got 215/65's, 16:1 box, Shelby Quick-Steer and wouldn't trade it for all the power steering in China....

Thanks. if I was starting with manual steering I probably wouldn’t convert to power.

 

[RudeMan]

Electric power assisted steering..using an electric motor attached to the steering column instead of a pump and hardware.

Chris

Got it ! Thanks Chris

 

[RudeMan]

I’ve got SOT suspension, rebuilt steering ram(control box) from Chock, roller bearing idler arm, 225F/17 tires and recommend alignment. It went from sloppy n loose to now having great feel. My box only has a little over 100k on it but will send to Chock to have it rebuilt this year. Only plans are to add the quick steer kit to it.

Overall when done right, you’ll be happy.

Chris

Thanks. Where do I get Chock’s number ?

 

[Bad66GT]

Thanks. Where do I get Chock’s number ?

Here you go sir

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

Specializing in FACTORY Classic Vintage Mustang Fairlane Cyclone Torino Disc Brake Conversions Rotors Drums and Power Steering Systems

www.chockostangclassicmustang.com

Chris

 

[RudeMan]

Here you go sir

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

Specializing in FACTORY Classic Vintage Mustang Fairlane Cyclone Torino Disc Brake Conversions Rotors Drums and Power Steering Systems

www.chockostangclassicmustang.com

Chris

Chris, thanks !

 

[dclewisx]

I've got a 67 coupe with factory power steering. Soon I will need to rebuild as I believe its all original. Since the 1967 has the 'stab-o-matic' solid shaft, is it possible, straightforward and recommended to replace shaft with something like a 1968 rag-joint set up? Objective would be safety improvement. Thanks for any input.