i appreciate the advice i got on the qp flares and about upp's product quality, unfortunately i couldnt get my self to order the maier flares because i have other things i need to buy like qp ornaments and backup lights, etc. so i ordered the cheaper upp flares. i really hope they are worth the time and money. like i said. my qp's are packed with bondo anyways and that is why i am flaring them. so dont hate me too much.