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1970 Mach 1 No Power With Full Battery

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#1 ·
Hi all,

New to the forums after finally inheriting my Dad's 1970 Mach 1 428 SCJ. Unfortunately he didn't get around to maintaining it, and it sat with fuel in it since about 2007. I got ahold of it and found a reputable classic repair shop and the car spent about 2 months in there. Upon getting it back its been running great, and I've gotten it out on the road a dozen or so times, until last Friday.

I had just given my Grandfather-in-law a ride and had returned home and shut the car off. My mother-in-law said she wanted a ride next, so we went out to start it back up and, nothing. No lights in the cabin, dash, or even headlights. When i went to try to turn the car over there wasn't even a click. We immediately got under the hood to see if anything had come loose, but everything looked to be fine. We used a multimeter on the battery, and it was still sitting right around 12v. Terminals and clamps have 0 corrosion. We used a circuit tester and all the wires directly connected to the solenoid were also lighting up as good. Under the car I didn't notice any corrosion or anything that had come loose. So we are kind of stumped. Any ideas where to look next? My Grandpa is guessing it may be a bad ground wire somewhere. There was also a slight whine that would come through the speakers whenever driving, and I remember reading something that that is also an indicator of a bad ground somewhere. I don't recall hitting any large bumps or doing anything that would have caused something to come loose. It's just puzzling that it was running fine, and then couldn't even get a light to flicker within 2 minutes of each other.

Appreciate any insight!
 
#2 ·
- Definitely check all grounds. Check all connections at the starter solenoid. Anything loose there can create an open and thus no power to the car.

- Test the battery. Getting 12 volts with a meter really doesn't tell you much. Remove the battery and take it to a chain auto parts store. They will test it for free. No, they won't lie to you about the test. Batteries can and do suddenly die. They can and do develop dead cells and interior shorts. This even occasionally happens with newer batteries.
 
#3 ·
"Starting Circuit Voltage Drop Test".

Set your multimeter to the LOWEST DC Volts scale.

Place the leads as follows and note the voltage when turning the key to "Start"

RED = battery positive post. BLACK = battery positive cable TERMINAL END.
RED = battery positive cable TERMINAL END. BLACK = starter solenoid battery-common large lug.
RED = starter solenoid battery-common large lug. BLACK = starter solenoid starter large lug.
RED = starter solenoid starter large lug. BLACK = starter motor large lug.
RED = starter motor large lug. BLACK = starter motor case.
RED = starter motor case. BLACK = bellhousing.
RED = bellhousing. BLACK = starter motor large lug.
RED = starter motor large lug. BLACK = negative battery POST.

None of the tests should return a value greater than 0.1-.02 vDC except the starter motor large lug to starter motor case, reflecting the resistance in the field coil and armature windings. If you have a substantial voltage drop, examine the connections.

Note: This is assuming, if you have an automatic transmission, that the shift detent is in "PARK" or "NEUTRAL" and the Neutral Safety Switch is not defective, HOWEVER if this is the case you should STILL have interior lights, dash indicators, etc.
 
#4 ·
clean the block ground.
follow the black cable from the battery to the block
unbolt.
spray, wire brush, spray, and wire brush again and bolt it back
 
#5 ·
Another thing to check; 70 was the first year that Ford put a fusable link on Mustangs. It's attached to the front terminal of the starter solenoid and goes into the main harness, supplying power to the fuses, ignition switch, and light switch. This is according to Midlife who knows these harnesses better than anyone. Essentially its a short piece of 16ga wire and protecting the 12ga main power wire.
 
#10 ·
In addition to the negative battery cable bolting to the block there's a ground cable that runs from the back of the block or the head to the firewall. Usually it's on the passenger side over by the heater motor. Make sure that's ok. Aside from getting dirty or rusty they can just get brittle over time and break internally.
 
#11 ·
I had this problem on my 71 302. It was actual a single wire coming off the starter solenoid that seems to power the entire car…runs back to ignition switch…I was a larger diameter wire…check those connectors…
 
#12 ·
A lot of good ideas here, and I appreciate all of the feedback. A couple other things to note:

1. I checked the battery and it is still fully charged, and is only a month old at this point.
2. Checked and cleaned the ground wire to the block, it was also replaced a month ago, but I cleaned it again for good measure.
3. It is a 4 speed, so made sure it was in neutral and it's not any of the problems assosciated with an automatic.
4. The starter was also replaced last month, and the wires coming from it all seem to be in good condition.

I located the fuse link, and had to unwrap a bunch of very old electrical tape to get to it. It appears that a long time ago someone did a little work in this area as well. Is there a good chance this is the problem? This tiny thing could be the reason I have no power/lights/horn/starter or anything in the cabin?
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Thanks again everyone!
 

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#14 ·
A lot of good ideas here, and I appreciate all of the feedback. A couple other things to note:

1. I checked the battery and it is still fully charged, and is only a month old at this point.
2. Checked and cleaned the ground wire to the block, it was also replaced a month ago, but I cleaned it again for good measure.
3. It is a 4 speed, so made sure it was in neutral and it's not any of the problems assosciated with an automatic.
4. The starter was also replaced last month, and the wires coming from it all seem to be in good condition.

I located the fuse link, and had to unwrap a bunch of very old electrical tape to get to it. It appears that a long time ago someone did a little work in this area as well. Is there a good chance this is the problem? This tiny thing could be the reason I have no power/lights/horn/starter or anything in the cabin? View attachment 911987 View attachment 911988
Also since someone asked to see a couple more pics of the car
Thanks again everyone!
Easy way to check the fusible link... Put your test light alligator clip on the negative battery terminal. Probe the "BAT" post on the back of the alternator. If the test light comes on the fusible link is good.
 
#13 ·
In the first pic, that's a pretty hefty wire to be a fuse link, and two wires connect to it. Where it disappears under the solenoid, at the red arrow, where does it actually go? The area circled in blue is insulation over a splice. That could be a poor connection. Two other wires are spliced, where do they go? They would be better if the inline splices were removed, soldered and use heat shrink or tape to insulate. Do you have a good 70 wire diagram that shows this area and the fuse link? This is different than my 69 so I can't be much help without a 70 diagram.
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#16 ·
The large blue wire connects to the positive terminal of the solenoid, and each of the ones that have the splice go to the S and the I on the solenoid. I used a voltage tester on the alternator and got a light so I’m guessing it’s not the fusible link that’s the issue. All theses wires run back towards the firewall and over into the driver side. I haven’t found a good schematic for the 1970, but I’ve been looking.
 
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The big blue wire is the fusible link. It doesn't look "blown". The black splice looks like something is wrong. It looks like it has resistance there and got hot. I don't think it was repaired properly. I bet if you were to push and pull on that melted splice the electricity may flicker on and off. Or it would break apart.

Here's a picture of an unmolested feed harness. The black wire leading to the positive terminal is the fuse link. It looks longer than your blue replacement wire. It looks like someone extended the brown and red wires with a butt connector so they could accommodate a shorter fuse wire.

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#17 ·
I really tried to push and pull on it, but never got so much as a light flicker. The black splice definitely is a bit melted, but actually feels somewhat sturdy when pushed on it hard. But yeah all of these wires look added and extended at some point
 
#20 ·
Since you have a test light glowing at the alternator "BAT" you know the wiring is good to "A" (see photo below). You should also have power at "B" (Fuse Block), "C" (Headlight Switch) and "D" (Ignition Switch) as they all lead back to "A". If not, somewhere after "A" there is a break either in the BLK/YEL or YEL wires leading into the passenger compartment, or on the ground side between the engine and the chassis.
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#21 ·
Hi everyone, just wanted to follow up and say we finally figured the problem. A handful of wires INSIDE of the ground battery terminal were corroded. As you can imagine it was extremely difficult to see these and it finally took having a skilled electrical mechanic to see it. Thanks again to everyone for all of the suggestions!
 
#22 ·
FWIW, if you have terminals like that pictured below, they are correctly called "Temporary Repair Terminals" and should only be used until a proper crimped or soldered terminal can be installed.
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