Depends on where you place that ad.

 

Depends on where you place that ad.

I am looking to purchase, that quote was the sellers description of the car.

 

First, fastbacks are not "rare". You will find them all OVER the place, and neither is a 351 Cleveland motor.

This was pretty much the garden varaity, and as such that should give you some leverage, in contribution to your knowledge that the rarity factory is further reduced in the engine replacement. 351C came with a 9 inch rear, however in stock form the 8" is alright. And prior sheetmetal repair needs to be looked at by an expert to make sure it was done correctly and completely.

Even with theis "glowing" sales pitch, the key is how much are they asking? Check http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/ for others and you can get a feel for what they are asking for them (not what they are selling for).

 

First, fastbacks are not "rare". You will find them all OVER the place, and neither is a 351 Cleveland motor.

This was pretty much the garden varaity, and as such that should give you some leverage, in contribution to your knowledge that the rarity factory is further reduced in the engine replacement. 351C came with a 9 inch rear, however in stock form the 8" is alright. And prior sheetmetal repair needs to be looked at by an expert to make sure it was done correctly and completely.

Even with theis "glowing" sales pitch, the key is how much are they asking? Check http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/ for others and you can get a feel for what they are asking for them (not what they are selling for).

I am looking for a garden variety sportsroof but must have either a good condition original body, or bodywork already completed. Mechanicals will get done by me, and bumped a bit

Asking 11

 

IMO, that description sounds like it is written by someone that doesn't *know* al lot about Mustang, but is repeating some of the things others have told him.

I suggest going over that car with a friend and a fine toothed comb.

BTW, rubberized undercoating is scary stuff. It's amazing what people can hide under it. Plus, it likes to trap water and destroy the metal it is actually trying to protect.

 

Does it run - looks like heater bypass hose is disconnected.

 

I agree, the heater hose has been "bridged." Make sure you bring that up. I didn't think that those year sportsroof cars were horribly rare? You could probably talk him down and make sure you do have a mechanic and metal guy look at EVERYTHING!

 

It supposedly runs fine, I would probably be looking to do a rebuild during the winter. I have not actually gone to look at the car yet, have a large list of questions I am putting together for him. A sportsroof is not a rare car, but around here they are. Between rust, and the people parting out sportsroofs for their boss/mach's and/or turning the cheap sportroofs into full drag cars.

 

I agree, 11 sounds like a lot, but if the body is in good shape and only needs minimal work, your ahead of the game. I'd like to see the underside and the trunk. Manual drum brakes is another bargining chip for you, standard interior too. You can see rear window louvers in one of the interior pictures, but they don't show up on the exterior. What happened to the mounting holes? Headliner looked shot too. Looks like a little rust spot on the pass side forward door jamb.

Good luck

 

The car looks nice in the pics. IF the car is real solid, runs good, everything works. 11K seems pretty fair. Has the car been a local car ? Really inspect it close and bring a friend. Good luck !

 

under coating is a BIG RED FLAG. be careful Gary

 

Cowl and floorboards are done? How does that paint look up close?

 

The louvers are the type that don't have any holes drilled, they are aftermarket, they mount with clips under the window trim and weatherstripping.

 

I agree, 11 sounds like a lot, but if the body is in good shape and only needs minimal work, your ahead of the game. I'd like to see the underside and the trunk. Manual drum brakes is another bargining chip for you, standard interior too. You can see rear window louvers in one of the interior pictures, but they don't show up on the exterior. What happened to the mounting holes? Headliner looked shot too. Looks like a little rust spot on the pass side forward door jamb.

Good luck

If 11 sounds like a lot, what do you think it's worth based on the information so far? Happen to know of any 69/70 sportroofs in your area? (dunno, how "upstate" you are in NY but I'm willing to drive for the right car).

 

I see missing shock tower braces (probably from the engine swap), and the dash looks to have been replaced with parts from a Grande coupe. The woodgrain looks good if you are OK with the Grande label below/beside the clock on the passenger side. Someone may have sunk alot of money into a paint job without too much work on the mechanicals/interior.

Check it out in person is the best advice I can give.

 

I'm in the Saratoga area and I know what you mean about these cars not being "everywhere". To me, anything that is not free is too expensive, so I'm poor judge of what something is worth. I'm always on the lookout for a cheap 69/70 shell to build a ground up pro touring car and they regularly go for about 2 grand in the northeast on ebay.

I would try to get it for under 10 as it has no special options and is pretty bare bones.

 

First, fastbacks are not "rare". You will find them all OVER the place, and neither is a 351 Cleveland motor.

This was pretty much the garden varaity, and as such that should give you some leverage, in contribution to your knowledge that the rarity factory is further reduced in the engine replacement. 351C came with a 9 inch rear, however in stock form the 8" is alright. And prior sheetmetal repair needs to be looked at by an expert to make sure it was done correctly and completely.

Even with theis "glowing" sales pitch, the key is how much are they asking? Check http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/ for others and you can get a feel for what they are asking for them (not what they are selling for).

I know it isnt a 351C car, but Sportsroofs with the 351C and an automatic were rare in that MOST of them ended up as Mach 1 cars. Not that we are dealing with that here, but to find a car like that that isnt a Mach 1 is rare. Doesnt increase the value, but you dont find many.

 

1970 Mustang Total: 190,727
Sportsroof 39,470
Sportsroof/Deluxe 6,464
Total combined, non Mach sportsroofs 45,934
Mach 1 40,970 (almost 5000 less)
Coupe 77,161
Coupe/Deluxe 5,408
Grande 13,585
Convertible 6,199
Conv./Deluxe 1,474

BOSS 302 7,013
BOSS 429 499
Options Percentage
Disc Brakes 30.2%
Power Steering 73.2%
Vinyl Roof 16.9%
Now, since the 351 was not an "uncommon" engine (ie; a boss 302 or 429) you can see why I made this statement.

It would, however, not surprise me to find out that there are more "claimed" Mach 1's about today, still, rarity is not truely a factor here.

 

Just sent him a list of questions (the car is a decent drive from me, so I want to ask as much as possible before taking a trip to see it).


Can you guys tell from the motore pics if this is power steering or brakes? It looks to me like the motor pic shows a power steering fill tube. I assume manual brakes because I do not see a booster.


1.) Is this a disc brake car? Power or manual brakes?
2.) Did you install the 351 or did you buy it like this?
3.) How is the frame/trunk/shock towers/battery tray for rust? Any other rust areas?
4.) Do you know the gear ratio of the rear axle, and whether its a limited slip or open?
5.) It looks like the heater hose is disconnected, reason?
6.) Power steering?
7.) How are the electricals?
8.) Does the auto trans slip?
9.) I see rear window louvers in the interior shots but not the exterior. Are they currently on the car? Were they clip on or screwed in? If screwed in and not on the car, were the holes filled?

 

Just sent him a list of questions (the car is a decent drive from me, so I want to ask as much as possible before taking a trip to see it).


Can you guys tell from the motore pics if this is power steering or brakes? It looks to me like the motor pic shows a power steering fill tube. I assume manual brakes because I do not see a booster.


1.) Is this a disc brake car? Power or manual brakes?
2.) Did you install the 351 or did you buy it like this?
3.) How is the frame/trunk/shock towers/battery tray for rust? Any other rust areas?
4.) Do you know the gear ratio of the rear axle, and whether its a limited slip or open?
5.) It looks like the heater hose is disconnected, reason?
6.) Power steering?
7.) How are the electricals?
8.) Does the auto trans slip?
9.) I see rear window louvers in the interior shots but not the exterior. Are they currently on the car? Were they clip on or screwed in? If screwed in and not on the car, were the holes filled?

As far as #9, as I said before, beyond a shadow of a doubt, they are clip-ons, No screw holes, I had a set just like them .

 

1970 Mustang Total: 190,727
Sportsroof 39,470
Sportsroof/Deluxe 6,464
Total combined, non Mach sportsroofs 45,934
Mach 1 40,970 (almost 5000 less)
Coupe 77,161
Coupe/Deluxe 5,408
Grande 13,585
Convertible 6,199
Conv./Deluxe 1,474

BOSS 302 7,013
BOSS 429 499
Options Percentage
Disc Brakes 30.2%
Power Steering 73.2%
Vinyl Roof 16.9%
Now, since the 351 was not an "uncommon" engine (ie; a boss 302 or 429) you can see why I made this statement.

It would, however, not surprise me to find out that there are more "claimed" Mach 1's about today, still, rarity is not truely a factor here.

Do you happen to have the number of 4 speeds, and with what motor on the sportsroofs?

 

I paid 9 grand for my manual drums, power steering, non-ac, 302 2V Sportsroof. It had standard interior with no options to speak of. One owner and rust free with a clear maintence record and all the original documents.

I'm now 15K into the car (including tools purchased). I have original 70 Mustang Disk Brakes, complete console and most of the A/C. I'll be just over 20k into the car when the paint/body and interior is done (suspension and brakes are already paid for). No major driveline upgrades planned at this time. Four barrel and dual exhust at most. Though I am being tempted by a salvage 351w and 5 speed....

Had I just spent 20k from the beginning I could have had a fairly nice Mach 1 or a Boss 302 project.

If I had to do it again I would have been more patient and waited for the Mach 1 project/driver. I've seen them sell for 11 to 12k. I don't have any real regrets. I would have spent nearly the same money restoring a Mach 1 driver to near show condition. Probably more. But atleast I coulda told people "it's a Mach 1" rather than "nah, it's just a plain Sportsroof."

Still...I love my car...I love my car....etc...etc..

 

1970 Mustang Total: 190,727
Sportsroof 39,470
Sportsroof/Deluxe 6,464
Total combined, non Mach sportsroofs 45,934
Mach 1 40,970 (almost 5000 less)
Coupe 77,161
Coupe/Deluxe 5,408
Grande 13,585
Convertible 6,199
Conv./Deluxe 1,474

BOSS 302 7,013
BOSS 429 499
Options Percentage
Disc Brakes 30.2%
Power Steering 73.2%
Vinyl Roof 16.9%
Now, since the 351 was not an "uncommon" engine (ie; a boss 302 or 429) you can see why I made this statement.

It would, however, not surprise me to find out that there are more "claimed" Mach 1's about today, still, rarity is not truely a factor here.

Someone looked it up for me once... hold on...

Meh, I cant find it. It isnt the fact that it is a Sportsroof, or that it has a 351C, or that it has an FMX, but all 3 of those things together and the fact that it WASNT a Mach 1 was unusual. I wont say rare.

Neither here nor there... I wish I could find that post. Allen Cross was the one quoting me numbers...

 

The whole bmw undercoating thing kinda throws red flags up doesnt it? I would go over this thing with a fine tooth comb. If you feel you arent experienced enough, find somebody who is.