Vintage Mustang Forums banner
1 - 20 of 26 Posts

RIBS

· Registered
1971 302 C4 AC PB PS convertible, Grabber Blue/white/white
Joined
·
1,288 Posts
Discussion starter · #1 · (Edited)
My question is-Is this all OK and normal? Is 12.3 volts at coil OK?? Or am I sending too many volts to Points and Coil and in danger of burning up coil/points???

This is long, trying to answer inevitable questions up front. :)

71 302 convertible Points ignition.

I keep hearing “voltage at the coil and points should be 6-9 volts” but i never see any real concrete info.
I also hear stock wiring harness has resistors built in to bring that voltage to coil and points down.

I am severely confused.

So long story, car is being rebuilt after 25 year storage, maybe a few hundred miles in year of ownership. As part of initial engine review and tune up, I replaced stock coil, it was split and leaking. With Accel super stock, 8140C, 1.4 Ohm. Car ran great, no issues.

Stock wiring harness was toast. I replaced it with an American Autowire full kit. This kit states in instructions you must use a Ballast resistor and Starter Solenoid bypass if you have Points style Ignition. I do have factory Points ignition. So I bough their 1.4 Ohm Ballast resistor and wired inline to coil per instructions. The Car ran great, for 100 miles.

I started getting intermittent loss of spark while running, the first time after 3 minutes, I wiggled coil to Distributor spark lead and it ran again. The next day, I replaced the spark lead because the one I had seemed flakey. It ran, that day, the next day it died on the street in front of my house(2 minutes or less). I replaced the Spark lead again and car would not start. I removed Coil from mount and whacked it medium/light on a hard bracket, car started. I assume I had a bad coil.

During this time, I was testing, I seemed to be getting unstable voltage and Ohm readings from coil. So I replaced it with an identical Accel Coil.

The Car started and has 45 minutes run time with no problem.

During this whole process, I have been monitoring Volts at coil, and either side of Ballast resistor. It seemed like the Ballast resistor was unstable, so I ordered new ones off Amazon…I have a 1.4 ohm resistor in place.

So here’s my readings…
Coil, not running, disconnected, around 1.4 ohms, zero volts. Coil connected with car running 12.3 volts. Coil with key on, but not running 12.3 volts.

The ballast resistor, unplugged, 1.4 ohms. connected, key on, not running, 12.3 volts on both posts. Connected, car running, 14.4/14.6 on ignition circuit side, 12.3 on coil side.

The car’s general electrical system with key on, not running, 12.3, with car running, 14.4/14.6, these voltages also represent the battery volts at rest, and the alternator output while idling. Makes sense to me.

So, summary, Ballast resistor seems to be OK, coil seems to be OK, with matched Ohm readings., ballast resistor seems to be trimming 3-4 volts out of path to coil. But not down to a 6-9 volt range.

My question is-Is this all OK and normal? Or am I sending too many volts to Points and Coil and in danger of burning up coil/points???

Discuss Please!!
Thanks!!
 
From what I've heard is that you need 6ish volts at the coil for points. The good part is that basically all cars from this era use the same system so its not mustang specific. So I'd do some research on if your resister is correct. Also I'd test with a new coil just in case since they are a cheap part. Also 14.4 means your charging system is working great.
 
Also see what ohms your coil has. You will want to have around 3 ohms total so if your coil currently has only 0.5 then your total is 1.9 with the current resistor.
 
It seems to be that in wiring you have by passed the ballast resistor or the ballast resistor value is not correct. 12.3 at rest with the key on isn't right. You sure that you don't have a 12 volts directly running to the positive side of the coil? It seems like it.
 
You are correct- the alternator is charging and raising the overall voltage. I get 10.8v at the coil "Bat" terminal with the alternator charging at 14.5v. Mine is a completely stock 351w. My charging voltage is on the high side but within the range specified by the manual. Yours sounds within the normal range to me.
 
Discussion starter · #9 · (Edited)
A few answers for all of you…
the coil is 1.4 ohms, the ballast resistor is 1.4 ohms, so 2.8 if you added them up.
yes it’s mounted to firewall securely.
its not getting “other voltage” from other sources, the wire in question is a heavy pink wire, it comes from Ignition switch bundle on column out to firewall. I ran it long enough to reach passenger firewall where I cut it and added plug for ballast resistor. On the second side of the ballast resistor, I added back the pink wire and it runs as only wire going to coil +. There is one other wire in play, it’s the yellow solenoid bypass wire. In this system, it’s supposed to allow 12v to go to coil only when starter is engaged, the wire runs from starter solenoid “I” terminal to the coil side of the ballast resistor to allow 12v even if ballast resistor is trimming. I tested this extensively, with the yellow wire connected and disconnected, I see no trace of any voltage on the “I“ post at any time, running, at rest or starting. So it’s not sending 12v to coil. I have run with wire not connected and nothing changes…

my only guess is the ballast resistor that came with AAW kit, and the ones I bought are not the right specs to trim voltage sufficiently? Could it have anything to do with the Accel coil I bought, should I flip back to a completely stock one? They are not available locally and have to be ordered.
Image
 
The instructions seem vague to me, but maybe that's just me. In fig 5 what are the red and black leads connected to? The first parts seems to want to test the voltage across the resistor wire. On a 66 or a 69 the red lead would be connected to ignition switch terminal C and the black lead to the coil Bat terminal. Hopefully that's the same on a 71.
Fig 6 is a mystery also- red lead to coil "points" terminal, and black lead to the distributor housing? Is that the way you read this Bart?
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
If your coil has a built in resistor you don't need the firewall one.
I don’t think it does… the manufacturer website is light, lists these specs…
SPECS

ApplicationUniversal
BrandACCEL
C.A.R.B. EO #D-221
ColorChrome
Emission Code1
FinishChrome
MaterialSteel
Maximum Voltage42,000 Volts
Ohms Secondary Resistance9.2 k
Ohms Turns Ratio94:1
Primary Resistance1.4
Product TypeIgnition Coils
Quantity1
Quantity Per Pkg.1
WarrantyLimited 90 Day Warranty
Weight1.4400
UPC743047007136
Part Number8140C
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
The instructions seem vague to me, but maybe that's just me. In fig 5 what are the red and black leads connected to? The first parts seems to want to test the voltage across the resistor wire. On a 66 or a 69 the red lead would be connected to ignition switch terminal C and the black lead to the coil Bat terminal. Hopefully that's the same on a 71.
Fig 6 is a mystery also- red lead to coil "points" terminal, and black lead to the distributor housing? Is that the way you read this Bart?
Yeah I don’t really understand the diagram, its vague to me…
 
What issue are you trying to resolve? Again, test the voltage on the negative side of the coil while running.
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
All, due to travel commitments I am not going to be able to test any more till later this month…I am guessing there is more work to do and my voltage is too high…if you know how to drop it, or have more info, please keep adding info! Thanks!!!!
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
What issue are you trying to resolve? Again, test the voltage on the negative side of the coil while running.
I recall doing this once or twice, it was something like 1.9? At the time the people in the conversation told me it was irrelevant, so I sort of ignored that side of the coil….

the ?issue? Is I keep hearing the coil should get 6-9 volts delivered to it and higher will burn up the coil and points. My coil is getting 12.3 volts. That’s the question and issue. Am I destroying my coil and points with too much voltage? I did have one very new coil already fail. Trying to ensure my ignition System is correct and reliable after pulling stock harness and adding American Autowire harness.
 
The instructions seem vague to me, but maybe that's just me. In fig 5 what are the red and black leads connected to? The first parts seems to want to test the voltage across the resistor wire. On a 66 or a 69 the red lead would be connected to ignition switch terminal C and the black lead to the coil Bat terminal. Hopefully that's the same on a 71.
Fig 6 is a mystery also- red lead to coil "points" terminal, and black lead to the distributor housing? Is that the way you read this Bart?
RED to battery positive post. Black to coil+.
 
1 - 20 of 26 Posts