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how to remove ingition tumbler ?

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#1 ·
Hi,

I have bought '66 Mustang, but seller send me a car without keys. There is no chance to get them, because contact with seller is a nightmare. Car has been waiting in harbour 3 months just for title ...

I've ordered new set of locks, but how to remove ingition tumbler ? I have found info how to do it if I have a key. How to do in without a key ? Do I need to weld it or there is any other way ?

Thanks for help.
 
#2 ·
The quickest way is to either use a slide hammer (like a thief),or to drill it out.Usually your worst case scenario is that you ruin the ignition switch bezel(slim chance) and ignition switch(most probably).These are the two metods that I usually use mainly because they are very quick.Good luck.
 
#3 ·
quickest way would be to replace the whole ignition switch, hold on to the original and have a set made once out of port.
 
#4 ·
Another option would be to hire a qualified locksmith who can make you a key that matches the current ignition switch. It will probably cost the same as replacing everything and would be a lot less hassle.
 
#5 ·
Had the same issue. Tumbler cannot be removed w/o key. You will damage the switch. Maybe a locksmith could do it, but that would likely cost more than a new ig. switch and you would still have to go through the trouble of removing the switch from the car.

I went with the new switch. To swap, remove the bezel-there are small grooves in the bezel that you can use a small flathead with a paper towel over the tip to tap off the bezel counter clockwise (there is a special tool you can get, but this method works fine). There is also a nut in the back up under the dash that holds the whole switch in. Remove that nut an finagel the switch out. Then just remove the wire harness and install new in reverse order.

By the way, to remove tumbler, insert key, rotate until you see the little hole on the face of the tumbler align with hole behind it. Insert paperclip and rotate the other direction and pull out. Its easy. just thought i'd mention for future reference.

Good luck.
 
#6 ·
Coda,I think you're thinking of a different year? On 64-66 Mustangs you cannot get the bezel and switch apart without getting the tumbler out of the way first,and there is no special tool needed?Once the tumbler is out you simple push the bezel and switch towards each other and untwist.Like I said my methods work no problem,but you will wreck the switch.Murphy's law states that you will pay a locksmith to remove your tumbler,rekey your cylinder,etc(Locksmith making a house call doesn't sound cheap?),And your ignition switch will go bad.Do yourself a favor you've already bought a new tumbler.Splurge and buy yourself a $15 ignition switch to replace the 42 year worn one that's currently in your dash.Good luck
 
#8 ·
Like others have said, I drilled the tumblers out of my project FB which came w/o any keys. Start w/ a small drill bit which fits inside the key slot & continue using progressively larger drill bits. It will take a few different bits sizes, but eventually the tumblers/springs assembly will just fall apart. To me, this is the easiest way to do it.
 
#9 ·
Hey, Wait!!!! Try this first!!!!!!!!!

Way #1 - Actually, To get new Original keys is quite easy, and you don't have to do much...First, If any original material came with the car such as Original owner's manual (Make sure VIN matches!) or an original bill of sale to the car... The KEY CODES for the door/ignition and the Trunk are usually on there on both usually. They are listed as an example: "FE321, FA567" In this type of format... Don't have original papers to the car to get these numbers you say??!?!?!???? Then don't worry. The car has them!!! Yes, That's right!!!

A. You don't even need to mess with your ignition switch. Take off your driver's side door panel, Then take out the driver's side door lock. Stamped ONLY on the driver's side door lock is the key number to the Ignition/Doors. Look on the side of the lock, Usually is stamped like: "FE321" as an example number..It is located on the side of the tumbler entry where the pins go in near the top of the cylinder..They should be seen as plain as day!!!

B. The trunk lock has the Key number such as "FA567" stamped on it too, The only problem is with the trunk lockis that.. You'd have to take out the cylinder to see the number...hence needing a key....so you could just take out the whole trunk lock and bring it to the locksmith, or order a whole new trunk lock assembly. Kind of a bummer...

Once you get the Key Code number such as "FE321" from the Driver's side door lock, Just take that Key Code number and the entire trunk lock (which is still locked) to a very good reputable locksmith. He will look up the code in a book (Which are still readily available), and cut you a new key to the car!!!!!!! Problem solved...While he is cutting you a new key by code, He can fabricate a new key for your trunk lock, or pick open the trunk lock and take out the cylinder, and look at the Key Code number once the lock is picked open and cut a new trunk key for you as well.. This is what I suggest first... This way, You don;t have to replace all of your locks...and you bring the stuff to him..and keep it all original!!!!!! ;) :thumbsup:



Way #2 - Replace the entire switch, Then buy a whole NEW set of matched locks.

Way #3 - As stated above, You can take the switch out and mount it in a vise, and just drill out the tumbler.. It works well, Then just replace the ignition tumbler, Then buy a whole NEW set of matched locks.

Obviously, #1 is the easyiest I suggest...Especially, If you're not good at repinning (luckily I am)...and don't want to goto a locksmith...

Since you have no keys all.. You might as well just replace all the locks...Probably the easyiest way, but try #1 first!!!!!!!!!

Tony Kovar
1966 Sprint 200 Convertible
MCA#70001
 
#10 ·
Work is done. Tumbler is dead, ignition switch survived :)
If I would live in USA I can try with key number and good locksmith. Here in Europe forget about that.
finally I used just screwdriver, big enough, destoyed front plate of the tumbler and when I was moving left and right whole set felt inside. I dismounted it and took home. At home I removed rest of the tumbler. Now I can use a screwdriver to run the car, but first I need to charge the battery :)

Thanks for help !
 
#11 ·
NEFaurora said:
Hey, Wait!!!! Try this first!!!!!!!!!... The KEY CODES for the door/ignition and the Trunk are usually on there on both usually. They are listed as an example: "FE321, FA567" .. Stamped ONLY on the driver's side door lock is the key number to the Ignition/Doors...Tony Kovar
1966 Sprint 200 Convertible
MCA#70001
Tony - awesome info!

I learned something new today!