Take it easy with this guy! LOL
It makes a Dad proud when a son joins the VMF.
Stan

 

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34759

It's been done, just not the turbo. The link above, in case you didn't look at it, is to a guy who took late-model chassis and put a 65 Fastback body on it. It was featured in Hot Rod magazine a few months back. His is a little more extreme than what you're doing, but it's got the late-model drivetrain.

Personally I hate the idea of late-model drivetrains. My opinion is, if you want a late-model drivetrain, get a late-model car. Don't chop up part of history. To answer your other questions:

9" rear if you plan on using that much HP.

And for a tranny, ANYTHING can be build to withstand any kind of HP, it just all depends on how much money you want to spend. But those T56's are pretty bullet-proof as it is, though I'm sure Tremec would make you one that is even moreso.

A place that would really help you out, if they do Ford stuff, is a place called Street and Performance. I tried finding their website but came up with too many places with that name, I guess you'll have to find the right one. Anyway, my Uncle bought an LS1 with all the fixin's from a Firebird. Obviously there were mods to be done to the computer since he wouldn't be using the Firebird dash and all that stuff(plus they removed one set of O2 sensors). Anyway, you send them your computer, tell them what you want done, they'll reprogram it for you for like $250 or somethin. Like I said, I don't know if they do Ford stuff though, this was Chevy.

Ditto goes for a wiring harness. Tell them what you're using and they'll send you the harness you need with no extra plugs.

Edit:
This is the place here: http://www.hotrodlane.cc/

 

I am shooting for 1000hp

Is that a typo? You realize that the new Shebly GT 500 only has HALF of that, right? I doubt a '65 coupe unibody is going to take that. You're going to have to do some SERIOUS stiffening.

Anything can be done with enough money. This one, though, is going to take a couple truck loads of money, and the car will probably be worth 1/4 of what you put into it when done.

What I'm saying is that unless you're independently wealthy, there's no way this will ever be cost justified.

BTW, welcome to the VMF!!

 

welcome, nice to meet you ( sorta) ok so much for the southern hospitality!
i like the idea, but i did a search for the cobra motor and i have found a few with 20,000 or so miles in the 9,500 dollar price range!

with twin turbo s WOW it sounds expensive!

ok dont get me wrong for all i know you could be one of forbes 500 billionares?

but say you got the car free+ 9500 ( motor) + 1000 wire harness + ???( 5000 ) twin turbo)+??? rack and pinnion and shock tower removal ?

you see where im going it could easily become a 50,000 dollar project!

my concern would be as you are spending this money and doing all this work as a first time restorer youd burn out figure it wasent going to get done soon and it turn into a 20 year garage project!

and if you have a that kind of cash imagine what you could do with a conventional v8! just my .02 cents and im rarely right anyway!

 

Hey, welcome to the forum. I believe I replied to to a similar thread you posted on svtperformance. I'll tell you right off the bat this is a better place to ask such a question.

Like I said in your other post, this is going to be much more trouble than what it's worth imo. 1000hp isn't a good idea for a '66 without EXTENSIVE modifications. Keep in mind that these 40-year-old cars are a lot different than the late models. I suggest you go the 302 or 351W-based stroker route. If you crave rediculous power (although I think an aggressive yet streetable naturally-aspirated stroker will offer you plenty of excitement), these accept forced induction, too, and will make for a much more manageable project.

The 32V DOHC can and has been done, but just keep in mind how much more time and $$$ will be required. You probably already know the extent you're going to have to modify a pre-'03 Cobra engine to be capable of safely handling anywhere north of 500hp, right? In the end, I simply don't think the outcome will justify the price, but that's just mho.

Anyway, good luck!

 

Welcome to the forum

BTW, did you get your truck from the east coast? The guy who tuned your truck is about two minutes from my house.

 

my buddies conversion in the works. Its ok to be different, nothing wrong with not wanting a run of the mill small block pushrod engine. Go for it. It's only money, easy come, easy go!

http://www.sbftech.com/img/46mod.jpg

 

Welcome!

Let me add my old guy wisdom, to your youthful energy and let's talk about 1,000 HP on the street.

First, wanting to be different is good. Wanting 1,000 HP is unreasonable, IMHO, unless you are drag racer. Some of us run 500HP on this forum. In my case, that power level is seldom usable, on the street, in a safe manner. In fact, I would say that running that level makes you less likely to fool around as you have nothing to prove because you know that you are faster than 98% of the cars around you. Maybe some of the other guys, like Johnpro and KKtell will confirm or refute my statement.

Eric

 

Take a look at this website for inspiration on your ambitious project:

http://www.dvsrestorations.com/

Dave is known as "Mustangsurfer" here on VMF.

Oh, and welcome

Jeff

 

Thanks for the responses
The Thing w/ the turbo is that I can turn down the boost and run on pump gas. I am reading alot about guys running lower boost 14psi or so and have 700hp then if need be running race fuel or meth kit and uping the boost.
I am really just in the planning stages. I welcome any ideas
Maby just get a 03 or up motor trani and ECU and keep the eaton till I have more money since they have forged internals.

On a side note: 65Fast
I did a mail order tune from JJ@WMS he is a great guy

Link to info on Turbo Terminators

 

my buddies conversion in the works. Its ok to be different, nothing wrong with not wanting a run of the mill small block pushrod engine. Go for it. It's only money, easy come, easy go!

Any other places to find what coil overs to use, rack and pinion and so on to do that kind of swap??

 

try here

http://sbftech.com/index.php/topic,444.0.html

 

The Thing w/ the turbo is that I can turn down the boost and run on pump gas. I am reading alot about guys running lower boost 14psi or so and have 700hp then if need be running race fuel or meth kit and uping the boost.

And you've SEEN their dyno sheets, right? I totally understand where you're coming from. You see, EVERYONE has 350+ HP righ up until they put their car on the dyno. Then that dyno has this nasty way of crushing all those fantasies.

I TOTALLY agree with R100RT. My '69 has dynoed with 354 RWHP and 416 ft. lbs. of torque. Guess how many times, I've run that car at WOT on the streets? Twice. Both times for just a couple of seconds, because that's how long it takes to get to absolutely, absurdly unsafe speeds.

1,000 HP cars have absolutely NO PLACE on city streets. They belong on the track, and ONLY on the track, where innocent people aren't killed.

 

32V modular is fine and manageable.

I think that you have to rethink your hp unless this is going to one of those never drive pro-street show cars. Too much for street, too much for track, too much for bracket and too little for drag. If you are shooting for this 1000hp, there will not be much left of your Mustang bodywise. And as for maintenance cost: Do you know what is the life cycle and price of pistons at that level? Bearings and rings inspection and replacement cycle? Valve springs etc. Also, the driveline will probably be either highly prepped automatic or definitely a full race standard transmission. Just your average 9" rear from junkyard will not suffice either.

I am not trying to patronize you (that's what daddies are What I am trying to say, that unless you have unlimited resources, you will have a lot of downtime while you are scraping money for another full race part after another broken hi-performance part.

 

JohnPro hit the nail on the head!! Listen exatly to what he said.

Let me show you something, and maybe it will put your HP dreams into perspective. My cousin bought this motor:

http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/540_810.asp

Now, that's a 810 HP, plus he ordered the Nitrous version which they guarantee will accept a 500 HP shot of Nitrous. That motor with the nitrous package cost him $16,000. And yes, those Dyno stats are correct, in fact, when we had it Dynoed, it made a little more than the 810 advertised. And guess what? He has NEVER, EVER gone wide-open throttle on this on the street. It's a 9-second motor or 8-second if you spray it. He's so afraid of the speed without the nitrous that he's never sprayed it, in the 3 years of owning it!

I have another friend with a 632ci alcohol motor rated at around or a little over 1,000 HP. He is 52 years old and been racing all of his life. This is the fastest car he's ever owned and it SCARES him. Just off of the motor itself it makes 1,000 HP, and this motor is also setup to accept a 500 shot of nitrous but he refuses to even hook it up because he's so afraid.

Hopefully that puts things in perspective for you.

 

900+ Hp Video

I am saying that I would like the motor to be able to put out 1000hp w/ a turbo but that would been on race fuel and 20+ lbs so around town w/ crappy 91 it would be at around 600+ w/ lower boost. Maby I would go w/ a 2.6 KB and make 600+ and call it a day. Just Idea's right now

Not to start anything but I have a truck w/ 380hp and 460lb and push the right pedal all day long =) (I know it is 4700lb's)

Thanks for the idea's I know I am a kid that wants alot of HP some day I will learn =P

 

BIG difference between 380 hp and 1000.. Not only in horsepower, but just in cost.. It's easy to go from 200 to 300 horse, I think it's a lot harder to go from 800-1000 (At least it only makes sense).. I think the dollar per part cost would start to raise exponentially, at best.

 

...and also a HUGE difference between a 40 year-old Mustang and a heavier, more robust late-model Lightning. 380hp isn't all that much for a truck, you aren't close to experiencing the "scary" others have commented on.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that video is nothing but pure BS. Now way that Saleen has any where close to 900 rwhp. If you look close, that's a stock rear-end. That much hp would twist it like a pretzel. Second those are street tires, they would not hook with that much HP. Third look at the hood when he launches, with that much torque it should come off the ground several feet. It barely bobbles. Fourth, notice that the video never shows the speedo or the tach. he can't because it's BS. Fifth notice how fast his is going in the video. Look at how long it takes him to cross intersections. I am a guy that has raced all his life and still get way up into the triple digits on a regular basis. I can tell how fast I'm going within 5mph and never look at the speedo. This guy just isn't doing s***. I have been racing a long time, and I wish I had a dollar for every one of these stories. Unless they have the timeslips and the trophies to prove it...It's just talk. Listen to the guys on this forum. Their are a lot of guys here that are more than just talk.

 

68sprintguy is right, no way that's 900HP.

Also, is that 380hp to the ground on your truck or just the suggested rating?

My honest opinion is that you don't know quite how much hp is. I think if you drove a Mustang with 750HP, you would get exactly what you're expecting from this 1000HP motor. Believe me, 1000HP is off the wall, even at the strip you'd be doing over 150 MPH at likely a low 8 or possibly 7 second time.

 

My buddy Larry has a 78 camaro, with a 496, which dynoed around 750hp, and his car runs high 8's in the quarter. He's drives it to and from the track on the street, and he has to really baby it. It really has NO business being on the street. Besides, like was said before, chop up a late model car to do that kind of stuff, not an irreplaceable 40+ year old mustang. If you want the sensation of extreme acceleration, get a motorcycle. That's my suggestion. And if you look at my signature picture, you'll see how skilled a rider I am...... ...... With all that being said, welcome! Even though you're Stan's son, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt anyway..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

900 rwhp / 744 rwtq ('99 Cobra) - Race Fuel
786rwhp / 689rwtq @ 16psi ('04 Cobra)
HP Performance


744 rwhp @ 17psi and 19 degrees timing
http://www.hppracing.com/custcars.html


1,172 Rear Wheel Horsepower Twin Turbo 2003 Cobra 4V
http://www.turbohorsepower.com/index.html


It can be done but I think you guys talked me out of a TT setup. After looking into it more I would like to put a 03' 32v cobra motor w/ a 2.6 KB and make 600+rwhp and maby use a FAST stand-alone EMU.
Has anyone used the FAST system on a late model Mustang?
A guy used it in Mustang & Fords Sep / 05
They call the mustang "The Blender"
I like what he did but I don't want IRS
Link to the car

Thanks

 

Ya, as I watched the video I kept thinking "okay, when am I gonna get to see a wheelie?"

 

Screw fast, I'd Megasquirt it!

 

None of us are disputing whether or not it's possible to make that power. We're wondering how you plan to drive it on the street. Plus the piles and piles of money you're going to have to put in the chassis to keep it from flying apart.

And chicks don't really dig it when you say, "Yeah, you can ride, but you're going to have to climb through the jungle-gym of roll bars to get in the seat."