I haven't verified this story. Just glanced through it from another forum. Here's where I found it:
Tremek post about Boyd
Tremek post about Boyd
TK42ONE
Here's the original story, from Street Rodder magazine's web site: http://streetrodderweb.com/hotnews/0410sr_boyds/
I hope certain head-in-the-sand, oh it's just another wrinkle in state regulation, members of this board read this story. This is some truly scary s#!t.
I can't even imagine what's got these Barney Fifes all worked up. In California, any kit car -- like a Boydster, a Cobra, or a scratch-built '32 Ford or '41 Willys -- is legally registered according to the model year that it most closely resembles. And there ARE no emissions regulations applicable to anything '65 model year and older. So where's the problem?
Now I can see where the owner of high dollar hot rod might cheat on his sales tax. But what's that got to do with Boyd, unless he's stupid enough to falsify his invoices?
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I hope certain head-in-the-sand, oh it's just another wrinkle in state regulation, members of this board read this story. This is some truly scary s#!t.
I can't even imagine what's got these Barney Fifes all worked up. In California, any kit car -- like a Boydster, a Cobra, or a scratch-built '32 Ford or '41 Willys -- is legally registered according to the model year that it most closely resembles. And there ARE no emissions regulations applicable to anything '65 model year and older. So where's the problem?
Now I can see where the owner of high dollar hot rod might cheat on his sales tax. But what's that got to do with Boyd, unless he's stupid enough to falsify his invoices?
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taken from www.streetracing.org
On Wednesday the 6th of October, 22 law enforcement agents and other individuals from the State of California, Department of Justice Fraud Division, Department of Motor Vehicles, California Highway Patrol, Department of Automotive Repair and others arrived with guns drawn and flak vests on at the shop of Boyd Coddington Hot Rods & Collectibles (La Habra, California).
No, this wasn't the making of an episode of American Hotrod but rather a bonified attempt to serve a warrant issued and carried out by duly vested officers for the purpose of investigating Boyd Coddington on the suspicion of fraud. The alleged fraud charges stemmed from an ongoing investigation by the State of California that has for the past several years been limited to the kit car industry but has now been expanded to the street rod industry. The State of California is looking for cars that meet one or more of the following criteria that would lead to registration or license fee fraud.
Street Rodder has learned via e-mail communications with Robert Morgester, the Deputy Attorney General Special Crimes Unit for the State of California Department of Justice, "The California Attorney General's Office has been conducting an investigation into the fraudulent registration of replica vehicles. The initial investigation was limited to Cobra replica vehicles due to known VIN sequences. We are aware that the same fraudulent vehicle registration issues apply to other replica vehicles and hot rods.
To correct a common misunderstanding of California law, it is a felony to do the following:
1. Register a vehicle where the year of vehicle is misrepresented;
2. Register a vehicle where the value of the vehicle is understated; or
3. Register a vehicle where the year of the vehicle is misrepresented to avoid compliance with California smog laws.
Any of the above actions are a felony in violation of Vehicle Code Section 4463(a). Additionally, the above actions constitute the crime of perjury, in that all statement of facts contained in California DMV documents are taken under penalty of perjury."
In speaking with Boyd Coddington he told SRM that the State of California seized certain company records for further investigation. Boyd also told SRM that three license plates were removed from vehicles within his consignment shop. These vehicles were built decades ago by the likes of Fat Jack and Pete & Jake's. Apparently the state of California is looking into any improprieties that would lead to the state being "shorted" tax or registration dollars.
Boyd also told SRM that he had to show records proving such vehicles as the Whatthehey and the Alumatub were legally registered and taxed, which they were. He also had to show records on two of his Boydster's that were built and given away as to how they were registered and how were the vehicle's values determined and did the new owners pay the appropriate taxes. At the time of this writing it appears Boyd's business has done everything according to the law but that SRM has been told the investigations will not stop with his shop. Boyd was singled out because of his "visibility" on the television show American Hotrod and that other California builders would soon be paid a visit.
Additionally, SRM learned that law enforcement officials, it is believed were California Highway Patrol, recently visited the Labor Day Cruise, held annually in Costa Mesa at the fairgrounds, looking for "suspicious" vehicles. When asked what constituted a "suspicious vehicle" it was determined that any fiberglass car is suspect.
Again, according to the Office of the Attorney General from the State of California, its Department of Justice, "To date, the ongoing investigation has identified at least five other out-of-state companies that have provided fraudulent vehicle purchase agreements and titles to California vehicle owners. The companies are in Alabama, Nevada, New York and Florida. The Attorney General's Office believes as many as 70,000 vehicles have been illegally registered in California through these scam operations.
The California Department of Motor Vehicles is in the process of canceling registrations that involve documents obtained from Titles Unlimited. (Titles Unlimited is believed to have provided false documents to Californians that cost the state more than $1 million in tax revenues and license fees over the past two years, and as much as $14 million since 1975, when the company began operating.) The Attorney General's Office also has notified law enforcement officials in more than 20 counties regarding residents who titled their cars through the company for possible prosecution."
Attorney General Bill Lockyer of the State of California tells us that an Alabama man was convicted on felony charges for issuing false vehicle titles in a scam that has cost the State of California millions of dollars in lost tax revenues and license fees.
"This illegal operation provided false information regarding the purchase of expensive vehicles to hundreds of Californians, which allowed them to avoid smog requirements and pay reduced sales taxes and vehicle registration fees," Lockyer said. "At a time when California and its residents are forced to confront painful budget choices, these scam artists defrauded the state and all law-abiding taxpayers who have done their part to get through our economic slump. We will continue to investigate to ensure these tax cheats are brought to justice."
doesent sound good
On Wednesday the 6th of October, 22 law enforcement agents and other individuals from the State of California, Department of Justice Fraud Division, Department of Motor Vehicles, California Highway Patrol, Department of Automotive Repair and others arrived with guns drawn and flak vests on at the shop of Boyd Coddington Hot Rods & Collectibles (La Habra, California).
No, this wasn't the making of an episode of American Hotrod but rather a bonified attempt to serve a warrant issued and carried out by duly vested officers for the purpose of investigating Boyd Coddington on the suspicion of fraud. The alleged fraud charges stemmed from an ongoing investigation by the State of California that has for the past several years been limited to the kit car industry but has now been expanded to the street rod industry. The State of California is looking for cars that meet one or more of the following criteria that would lead to registration or license fee fraud.
Street Rodder has learned via e-mail communications with Robert Morgester, the Deputy Attorney General Special Crimes Unit for the State of California Department of Justice, "The California Attorney General's Office has been conducting an investigation into the fraudulent registration of replica vehicles. The initial investigation was limited to Cobra replica vehicles due to known VIN sequences. We are aware that the same fraudulent vehicle registration issues apply to other replica vehicles and hot rods.
To correct a common misunderstanding of California law, it is a felony to do the following:
1. Register a vehicle where the year of vehicle is misrepresented;
2. Register a vehicle where the value of the vehicle is understated; or
3. Register a vehicle where the year of the vehicle is misrepresented to avoid compliance with California smog laws.
Any of the above actions are a felony in violation of Vehicle Code Section 4463(a). Additionally, the above actions constitute the crime of perjury, in that all statement of facts contained in California DMV documents are taken under penalty of perjury."
In speaking with Boyd Coddington he told SRM that the State of California seized certain company records for further investigation. Boyd also told SRM that three license plates were removed from vehicles within his consignment shop. These vehicles were built decades ago by the likes of Fat Jack and Pete & Jake's. Apparently the state of California is looking into any improprieties that would lead to the state being "shorted" tax or registration dollars.
Boyd also told SRM that he had to show records proving such vehicles as the Whatthehey and the Alumatub were legally registered and taxed, which they were. He also had to show records on two of his Boydster's that were built and given away as to how they were registered and how were the vehicle's values determined and did the new owners pay the appropriate taxes. At the time of this writing it appears Boyd's business has done everything according to the law but that SRM has been told the investigations will not stop with his shop. Boyd was singled out because of his "visibility" on the television show American Hotrod and that other California builders would soon be paid a visit.
Additionally, SRM learned that law enforcement officials, it is believed were California Highway Patrol, recently visited the Labor Day Cruise, held annually in Costa Mesa at the fairgrounds, looking for "suspicious" vehicles. When asked what constituted a "suspicious vehicle" it was determined that any fiberglass car is suspect.
Again, according to the Office of the Attorney General from the State of California, its Department of Justice, "To date, the ongoing investigation has identified at least five other out-of-state companies that have provided fraudulent vehicle purchase agreements and titles to California vehicle owners. The companies are in Alabama, Nevada, New York and Florida. The Attorney General's Office believes as many as 70,000 vehicles have been illegally registered in California through these scam operations.
The California Department of Motor Vehicles is in the process of canceling registrations that involve documents obtained from Titles Unlimited. (Titles Unlimited is believed to have provided false documents to Californians that cost the state more than $1 million in tax revenues and license fees over the past two years, and as much as $14 million since 1975, when the company began operating.) The Attorney General's Office also has notified law enforcement officials in more than 20 counties regarding residents who titled their cars through the company for possible prosecution."
Attorney General Bill Lockyer of the State of California tells us that an Alabama man was convicted on felony charges for issuing false vehicle titles in a scam that has cost the State of California millions of dollars in lost tax revenues and license fees.
"This illegal operation provided false information regarding the purchase of expensive vehicles to hundreds of Californians, which allowed them to avoid smog requirements and pay reduced sales taxes and vehicle registration fees," Lockyer said. "At a time when California and its residents are forced to confront painful budget choices, these scam artists defrauded the state and all law-abiding taxpayers who have done their part to get through our economic slump. We will continue to investigate to ensure these tax cheats are brought to justice."
doesent sound good
What Im getting is perhaps a kit-car being built and then a VIN being tagged to it to make it a non-smog vehicle and then the title is being built through Alabama .
If so , it should not hurt actual old cars that were rebuilt , just new kit cars .
Id also guess someone was fudging the price on the title paperwork of the actual car . Im sure they would allow things to slip with the kit cars but when you take tax revenue away , they are gonna come screaming to you .
If so , it should not hurt actual old cars that were rebuilt , just new kit cars .
Id also guess someone was fudging the price on the title paperwork of the actual car . Im sure they would allow things to slip with the kit cars but when you take tax revenue away , they are gonna come screaming to you .
I had got a title from them for an '88 mustang I pulled from a junkyard once. I did a title history through the state first and it was clear. I also did pay registration on it. But I have since sold the car to a kid who totaled it and it is now back in a junkyard. Wonder if they are coming after me?
In nevada, they use the year on the engine block. A good friend here assembles Cobra Replicas for Superformance and that's how they determine the year that goes on the title of the car.
Actually, California gives the owner the option either to go by the engine or "the vehicle." Why anyone with a '65 or older vehicle would want to have his or her car smogged according to the regs applicable to a newer vintage engine is beyond me.
What sends shivers down my spine about this Boyd story is the part about the jack-booted (literally, if they're motorcycle officers) storm troopers wandering through the car show, looking for fiberglass cars to bust.
Do we even have to ask, what's next? I don't because I already know. A knock on the door, a warrant in your face, and they're in your very own garage, popping the hood on your pride and joy, all on "probable cause" based on that nosey neighbor's snitching, to see if they can extract any tax money or charge you with a crime.
It's getting impossible to be paranoid here in the Golden State.
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What sends shivers down my spine about this Boyd story is the part about the jack-booted (literally, if they're motorcycle officers) storm troopers wandering through the car show, looking for fiberglass cars to bust.
Do we even have to ask, what's next? I don't because I already know. A knock on the door, a warrant in your face, and they're in your very own garage, popping the hood on your pride and joy, all on "probable cause" based on that nosey neighbor's snitching, to see if they can extract any tax money or charge you with a crime.
It's getting impossible to be paranoid here in the Golden State.
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Very much like a friend's story of his low mileage 93 Cobra R. He can't register or title it in California because it is illegal for a California resident to buy a new car from out of state. Originally he was given the run around because the DMV claimed it supposedly had an altered exhaust. But it is all factory original. Turns out that any car no matter how old if less than 7500 miles is considered new. He was told he would be arrested and car confiscated if he drove it.
I know of another fellow. Owns an real 1965 Cobra. Part of it had been burned in a firey accident years ago. He was restoring the car and wanted the VIN stamped on a reproduction part. He had all the legal paperwork to prove the originality and ownership of the car. He was arrested and had to fight it for years in court but eventually won his car back but at the expense of thousands of dollars because someone who didn't like him reported it as a Fraud. If didn't have money the car would have been gone.
Also in regards to the stormtroopers. It is scarey what you can be accused of without regard to protection of your personal rights.
I was recently put into handcuffs in a grocery store because MY debit card came up FRAUD. Store security called the police even though my bank verified it wasn't reported stolen. I was treated severely and humiliated in public and never given an apology. "It was a computer error" was the only explanation. Cops have NO regard for the individual. I used to respect them. NO MORE! The police report I received about my incident is full of falacies and inaccuracies. They're just a bunch of teeny weenies trying to project power. (My apologies to any officers on the forum who don't fit that profile)
Off soap box!
J.
I know of another fellow. Owns an real 1965 Cobra. Part of it had been burned in a firey accident years ago. He was restoring the car and wanted the VIN stamped on a reproduction part. He had all the legal paperwork to prove the originality and ownership of the car. He was arrested and had to fight it for years in court but eventually won his car back but at the expense of thousands of dollars because someone who didn't like him reported it as a Fraud. If didn't have money the car would have been gone.
Also in regards to the stormtroopers. It is scarey what you can be accused of without regard to protection of your personal rights.
I was recently put into handcuffs in a grocery store because MY debit card came up FRAUD. Store security called the police even though my bank verified it wasn't reported stolen. I was treated severely and humiliated in public and never given an apology. "It was a computer error" was the only explanation. Cops have NO regard for the individual. I used to respect them. NO MORE! The police report I received about my incident is full of falacies and inaccuracies. They're just a bunch of teeny weenies trying to project power. (My apologies to any officers on the forum who don't fit that profile)
Off soap box!
J.
I think the point is that if Boyd builds a "boydster", today, tomrrow or whenever, The year of that car would be a 2004, Not a 1932 like it was probably registered as.
The year of the car would be the year that it was built, Not the year in which it looks like.
If he registers it as a 2004 the car must meet all current smog laws. Therefor he registers them as a 1932 to avoid all such smog laws.
Seems illegal to me.
The year of the car would be the year that it was built, Not the year in which it looks like.
If he registers it as a 2004 the car must meet all current smog laws. Therefor he registers them as a 1932 to avoid all such smog laws.
Seems illegal to me.
Not to beat a dead horse, but subdivision (a) of California Health & Safety Code section 44017.4 states in part as follows:
The owner shall have the option to choose whether the inspection is based on the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year.
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(2) In determining the vehicle model-year, the referee shall compare the vehicle to vehicles of the era that the vehicle most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured vehicle. The referee shall require only those mission control systems that are applicable to the established model-year and that the vehicle reasonably accommodates in its present form.
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The owner shall have the option to choose whether the inspection is based on the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year.
* * *
(2) In determining the vehicle model-year, the referee shall compare the vehicle to vehicles of the era that the vehicle most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured vehicle. The referee shall require only those mission control systems that are applicable to the established model-year and that the vehicle reasonably accommodates in its present form.
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Shaggy..haha, yeah Tremek is a great place to go for videos and pics. But you need to watch out for those avatars. He's changed them a few times and I could spend all day staring at them. But then again, I think there's a few on this board that have some similar avatars.
As for the "Boydster-Gate," I think the law (as somebody quoted) gives the builder/owner/whoever the leeway in determining the model year. Seems pretty fair to me.
The stormtroopers is a bad reference. Please people, I love Star Wars. :trooper: :trooper: But yes, I've heard lots of stories about bad cops. Bad news is, they'll always be there. The good cops will be there too, and hopefully will beat the crap out of the bad ones. I could go on and on about the justice system in the US, but alas, I doubt anybody would listen. So my advice is to just be polite, tell the truth, and hope you don't get maced. You can always take them to court later.
TK
As for the "Boydster-Gate," I think the law (as somebody quoted) gives the builder/owner/whoever the leeway in determining the model year. Seems pretty fair to me.
The stormtroopers is a bad reference. Please people, I love Star Wars. :trooper: :trooper: But yes, I've heard lots of stories about bad cops. Bad news is, they'll always be there. The good cops will be there too, and hopefully will beat the crap out of the bad ones. I could go on and on about the justice system in the US, but alas, I doubt anybody would listen. So my advice is to just be polite, tell the truth, and hope you don't get maced. You can always take them to court later.
TK
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