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Why doesn't a Viper sound muscular? Slightly OT

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#1 ·
Well, along with my exciting brake adventures, I followed a 96 Viper RT/10 tonight for about 20 miles on my way home from work. I decided to try my top end out and tried to catch up to Viper boy... I got ahead of him because he wasn't trying to evade me... I put on my hazard lights, like every immature teenage racer does to signify a win in a street race. He obviously got upset, because no less than 10 seconds later, he FLEW by me (keep in mind, I was at redline WOT!!!) and then slowed down, realizing how absolutely stupid we were for endangering SO many innocent civilians. Yes, we were considerate. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Anyway, the point of my post it.. when he passed me, I SWEAR it sounded like it was an Integra with beefed up exhaust and turbo. It didn't sound like an 8 liter V10. I am sure it was real because 1.) he passed me with absolute ease and I was probably going about 120 and 2.) I followed him to his destination and asked him to pop the hood to prove to me there was a 10 cylinder motor under there!! Is it the higher amount of crankshaft rotation than a V8, or because the V10 is in a state of perfect tune that it sounds so strange? When I had my Mustang idling right next to the Viper, he revved, and I revved, and the V8's tone is a lot deeper and more guttural than the V10, even he admitted that.

Of course, he'd never admit that my car was faster because well.. yeah, duh. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

So to the professional engine guys out there: Is there something about a V10 that makes it sound so different from a V8, much like the difference between say, an Inline 4 and an Inline 6? displacement, crankshaft rotation, cam timing?

No doubt it was a deep note, no doubt that I thought it was a powerful car by it's exhaust but it has nothing compared to a V8... time to weigh in!!!

A
 
#2 ·
You mean why does it not have a deep rumbly voice? It has ten smaller cylinders and tuned exhaust with an X-pipe.

They sound more like euro-cars than ameri-cars. Know what I mean?

Have you ever heard one of them Eye-talian stallions? 12 cylinders all singing at once. That is a truly sweet sound, but it does not sound anything like your V8.

V8s roar. V10+ sing. The pulses are just closer together, so the harmonics are different. Lovely though, IMHO.
 
#3 ·
Oh OK, thanks Kent, that actually makes a lot of sense.

Unlike usual... haha. :p
 
#4 ·
Now, there you go again...

Here I am, trying to be nice to you young punks, and you go make sideways slams at me.

I was all set to be nice and drive up to meet you somewhere too. Now I am just gonna sulk and stay home.

Boo hoo hoo.... If I had any feelings you'd have hurt them.

You darn punk! Why I ought ta kick your scrawny little behind. Maybe I'll get that other mean guy, BillGear, to help me out...

Go ahead.... figure out if there is supposed to be a smiley in there somewhere /forums/images/icons/wink.gif I'm not gonna tell you. Harumph

Indeed.... "unlike usual".... harumph

young whipper-snapper

i'll kick your tail

dang kids these days. no respect
 
#5 ·
Whoa there Kent!! I meant it was unusual for me to understand something that you said because my mind is convoluted and fried from too much time in my Mustang!! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Sheesh, old people, always so sensitive. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
 
#7 ·
oh ya, about you driving up.. when are you free? /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
 
#8 ·
Nothing like a good rumble to work out the old kinks /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
All V10's sound a liitle odd, don't know why. The Dodge Viper and Ram truck V10's sound like a old milk truck
(fast milk truck). Even the Formula 1 V10's sound odd, compared to the V8 and V12.
 
#9 ·
did some searching on the net.. turns out that one of the biggest contributng factors to the weird sounding exhaust note is that the engine has what is called "odd" or "uneven" firing order. Hmmm.
 
#10 ·
the answer is simple......

the tone of an engine is a relationship between the bore and stroke with the number of cylinders....(other additional facotrs are exhaust types and pipe sizes)

Now....for the V8 and V10 comparison.....

The V8 just sounds so good because of its 8 cylinders....making just the right amount of rumble.....

The harmonics are different because of the frequency of explosions coming out of the pipes.....

Take a V-10.....you have 2 additional cylinders sounding off......
the frequency goes up......now you have some additional harmonics
to deal with.....it is almost like cancelling sound waves....

The V10 does have good response though.....

The racing crowd call it the happy medium between a V8 and a 12 cylinder....

in other words....it will outflow a v8 without the added friction factor of a v12.

It does have the Buzz of a pissed off 4 cylinder turbo doesn't it?

try and keep anything above 80 on the track
 
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#13 ·
Once while at the beach in Santa Barbara, right around the time of Santa Barbara's Councours show, I heard what sounded like a pair of Japanese crotch-rocket bikes really gunning hard. I looked up to see a beautiful pair Ferraris racing up the hill on Cabrillo St. Don't know if they realized there's a stop sign at the top.
 
#14 ·
I can't help but compare Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Vipers to rice rockets... They sound so freakin' similar!!!
 
#15 ·
But they are also so freakin' different /forums/images/icons/wink.gif!
Ferrari's V12 makes well over 400HP naturally aspirated. A 1.6liter honda that can make that much power has to be turboed within an inch of its life! They may sound kinda similar but they are two completely different animals.

I am not a big fan of the sound of a V12 or V10 either, but many people are. The sound of the DOHC 4.6 is a nice sounding engine.
 
#16 ·
When you start getting into bigger motors (more cylinders) and you are looking for more horsepower, you will actively seek to increase your top-end power. The easiest way to get top end power is to increase the rpm limits of the engine. When you start spinning the set-up faster, you want to have a shorter stroke so there is less reciprical motion in the engine - thus faster engine speed and more stability.

A longer stroke will help with low end torque, and you can engineer far more torque, but it will sacrifice top end power (the principle behind diesel engines.)

Somebody used F1 cars as an example. F1 cars are looking for maximum power as quickly as possible. The basic F1 motor is a naturally aspirated 3 liter V-10, with opposing banks of 5 cylinders generally greater than 90 degrees apart. The average engine makes about 850 hp and about 400 lb-ft. (or 0 to 100mph in less than 4 seconds.)

To get that amount of power, the engineers spin the engines to over 18,000 rpm. A few weeks ago, one of the teams went all-out in qualifying and set up an engine that spun to over 19,000 rpm!!.

F1 engines scream. FWIW - they are the loudest things I have ever heard!!! A jet at takeoff is loud, but 22 F1 cars is deafening!!! Ferrari engines (street cars) sing. These cars are looking for power, not torque, and the engine designs do not produce a "rumble" that is similar to our V8 engines. Thus your Viper question.