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Here is an article from Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine a few years back that may interest you about blown (pump gas) street engines...
It's about a guy named Lidio Lacobelli's 88 Mustang DAILY DRIVER, who drove it from Michigan to Florida to run in the big Mustang races there.
The picture of the car shows a COMPLETE interior, even the roll bar is upholstered, stock shifter, full carpet.. everything looks stock!

"As the sonf goes: just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip.. Now, here's the story: Lido Lacobelli built himself a nice looking, stout running '88 Mustang for daily driver use. When he heard of a big Mustang race in Bradenton, Florida, he decided to hop in his Mustang, top it off with gas before leaving his hometown of Mt. Clemens, Michigan, and head Southward for some quarter mile action. Now, stop reading and pull out a US road map. Find Michigan and find Florida, then note the mileage.

OK, back to our story. Lidio cruises South, listening to his stereo while fueling his body with some Oreo cookies, a bag of Cheetos, and a six pack of Coke. Being that his rig delivers more than 19 miles per gallon, fuel stops are fairly distanced. After driving a long time, Lidio arrives in Florida, then proceeds to bolt-on a set of 10 inch wide Mickey Thompson slicks. Lidio runs a 9.86 at 140 MPH. Lidio kicks butt on most on most of the other cars at the race. Lidio makes some once-mouthy men cry. Then, (are you paying attention?) Lidio gets back in his 9 second car and drives it home. The moral of the story? Lidio's 88 Mustang is bitchin', and he set out to prove that his stock looking car is a real street car. All right everybody, let's give a standing "O" for Lidio and his Mustang!

On the outside, lidio's notchback Mustang is basically stock except for a set of Weld Draglite aluminum wheels. Inside the Mustang looks stock save for an NHRA mandated rollbar. Underhood, the Mustang maintains its stock looks sans the Vortech blown V-8. Actually, Lidio tossed out the 5.0L (302 cube) V-8 in favor of a 95 Lightning 351 short block. A set of Trick Flow TFS heads were bolted on after being fully hogged-out with a Street Fighter port job from Alternative Auto Performance. (We should tell you that Lidio owns/runs AAP, which specializes in building 5.0 Mustangs.) A ported GT-40 lower intake manifold mates with a Downs Ford upper intake to give a place for a Vortech R-trim supercharger to huff and puff air into. The result is lots and lots of horsepower that makes the Mustang do big wheelies. That's the end of our story; we hope you liked it."

Under the pisture of the interior it has this caption;
"Looking into the Mustang's interior reveals a somewhat stock look. A small Autometer tach and a few gauges are all that stick out. Oops, we forgot to mention that this Mustang does its hustle using a Ford AOD automatic transmission that shuttles driveshaft twist to a 3.55:1 geared 8.8 inch rearend."

So, here's a guy (that has similar ideas to what I have built and run numerous times) that runs "pump gas" (not 110 octane race fuel) with a small block. YOU do the math... with 3.55 gears and to get 140 MPH in a quarter with a 3,000+ Lb. car on small slicks with a stock suspension, you have to be making WAY more than what Saleen and all of those other examples you said were only capable of making at the rear wheel without going to a big block, and we ain't talking about Toyota's and Nissan;'s now, are we...? I would think you would re-consider your thoughts on how much power a small block, small cubic inch "pump gasser" can make in a DAILY DRIVER at the rear wheels. It obviously wasn't Lidio's first day, and it certainly ain't mine...
 
I never said you can't get high horsepower out of a 351, i just said it would take forced induction and octane is the limiting factor.

If you read back to my original post i described an engine like the one you are refering to. One that runs on regular gas on highways and high octane for the track. I refered to this as a progressive engine. This is exactly what the car you mentioned does. The detailed page mentions running 89 octane gas on the way down with 9.2 compression and then later describes running a boost 17 psi.

You do the math, 9.2:1 compression with 17 psi boost.

pump gas? i think not!
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
Well, I guess then the editors and writers for MM&FF magazine, (that watched this car run first hand by the way) are liars in some of your eyes. And no one on earth can do it beacuse "the math" does not compute. Tell that to a scientist about the flight of a common bee, "mathmatically" by aerophysics, and lift dynamics, they can't fly... but they do!
Lidio isn't the only guy running a car like that either. Why don't you go ahead and call the offices of MM&FF magazine, and the other articles written about this guy and his car and tell them they are full of s#*t and that you don't believe them because you say it's impossible... even though they, and thousands of other's have watched him do it.
 
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I looked at the "detailed page" link and saw nothing saying he runs high octane race fuel. It says he filled up a couple of times with 89 octane. So... is 92 race fuel? I fill my 69 SS big block el Camino up all of the time with cheap 87 octane for around town driving and sure, it diesels sometimes when I shut it off on a hot day but I also run 92 in it when I tow one of our race cars or drive in hilly areas. That's all he was pointing out, that they didn't need to run the more expensive 92 on the flat highways with 13 psi of boost! That in itself is pretty incredible... 13 psi on 89 octane. He HAD to have poked-it here and there to pass people and have a little fun here and there. No one could drive a car that far and not poke-it a few times, so if detonation or high octane was such an issue, he would have probably eaten the head gaskets up in a hot second, O-ringed heads or not. Open-up a little and accept what people are doing with engines these days. Magazines wouldn't write bogus articles about some dumb-ass bench racer boasting about running 9's on pump gas if they didn't see it first hand.
Also, sorry if I come across a little harsh sometimes, I'm a crotchety old fart these days, but I say everything with a s#*t eat'n grin in the corner of my mouth ;-)>
 
That article kinda brings back memories of the Stock class racers I once followed when I was young...

I was always amazed at how quick and fast they could go with a "stock" engine and 9" slicks...

You and I both know it didn't just happen but was the culmination of much experimentation (and costly failure) and hundreds and hundreds of hours of painstaking labor...

If this story is authentic (and I have no reason to believe it's not), the "rest" of the story would be of great interest to me......those darn stocker racers were always tight-lipped about their go-fast secrets...

*G*
 
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Oh man, my first nitrous motor, when I was a kid (once upon a time ago), I blew a head OFF of my engine! It pulled the studs right out of the block, ha-ha! Although I wasn't laughing then... It was a small block Chevy in one of my first 66 Chevelle's. A 377 cubic inch screamer (a destroked 400). I guess back then we never thought of using a separate resivoir filled with 114 octane fuel to be sent to the fuel solenoid. I built a friend a 532 Chevy with a 3 stage 500HP shot of N2O for his "Comp Rod" dragster and it leaned-out when the fuel filter desentegrated and clogged-up the Dominators... all I can say was "meltdown". You gotta love N2O!! Ha-ha! To think I put 2 N2O systems on my street car... geeze, you'd think I was crazy or something... "Oh what a feeling".
 
"The only solution was to change the blower pulley to lower boost from 17 psi down to a modest 13. "

Your saying your engines will run 17 PSI boost on 93 octane? 1,200 miles?
 
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I wouldn't drive an engine with 15 to 20 psi of boost for 1,200 miles nor would I drive my own car that far (which is blown and nitroused) too, but you CAN (and I do) drive them around on the street. Cruising the main on the street is one thing, taking a long trip is another. I wouldn't recommend buying an old L-88 'Vette for commuting in work traffic either, but some people did it back then. I've seen top alcohol engine camaro's cruise Virginia Street in Reno during Hot August Nights. There are 2 of these guy's every year that do this. I mean these are the real deal and probably in the 2,500+ HP area. I have no idea how they get away with it with 3 foot long blue flames coming out of the somehow baffled zoomies, but they do. The injectors would ice-up and they would have to stop down by the Pioneer Inn to re-fuel and de-ice their injector hats. They ARE street driving and I guess they could go to their local supermarket and buy groceries if they wanted in them, so what needs to be defined is what we are comparing as "street" engines. I am saying I build high HP pump gas streeter's, just like Lidio's fine ride, that drive from town to town and even some highway driving but I wouldn't recommend them driving from LA to Sonoma to race at Sears Point. I think we are thinking on 2 different levels here as far as street pump gasser's go. That's what made Lidio's car story so interesting, driving 1,200 miles on 89 octane with 13 psi of boost. If he was having engine problems because of detonation he would have been dead on the side of the road with a blown head gasket or broken piston(s) among other things. Maybe there is a little detonation going-on and maybe not. It happens before you can hear it, I know, the bottom line is that they run on 92 octane, they aren't breaking or blowing holes in pistons or blowing head gaskets so there can't be too much detonation going on or things would be breaking more often. He IS running 9's on 92 octane, that's a fact. The bottom line is there are numerous guy's running around on the street and driving their supercharged small block cars on 92 octane pump gas that run consistent 9 and 10 second et's. that was my point. You've seen Lidio do it, I have a couple of customer's doing it and because someone says it can't be done means nothing because it's happening...
 
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