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#21 ·
Also remember that back then, the car carriers were not enclosed like they are now. The cars were exposed to the elements pretty much.
 
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#22 ·
MMV said:
Another area is body paint. Too many cars get by with having just their headlight buckets orange peeled, and the rest of the car shows NO orange peel. Go to any Ford dealership and take a close look at their NEW cars. LOTs of orange peel.
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Bingo. The paint on both the 67 and the 68 are way better than our 06. I'd be pissed if I ever got a car back from a paint shop with as much orange peel as the 06. I've actually thought about wet sanding the 06.
Dave
 
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1MoTime said:
((((((((((((((((((( APPLAUSE!!!)))))))))))))) to the "tech check" part of your statement.
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I would love to see tech inspection come back. I realize this would put a strain on the judging staff, but I would be willing to step up and help if it were brought back. At a minimum it should be part of the daily and occasional driven classes.
Dave
 
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Looks like bringing back tech inspection might be something to consider at the '08 judges meeting!

Really, the biggest problem with tech inspection, in the past, was that it was done at the same time the car was classified and caused massive backups and delays with getting cars onto the show field in their spaces. I'm sure with a some thought, a better tech inspection process could be designed.
 
#25 ·
We used to have the annual tech option, too, just like the annual Classification option. Of course, a car could have operational problems after the initial tech and no one would know, just like now. I would support the tech inspection, also.
 
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1MoTime said:
............. I thought that "concours" meant better than factory origonal. .
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"Concours" can mean many things You have "Concour Del Elegance" which is often over restored with every valve stem on every tire lining up with a certain spot on the tire the same, glossy engine compartment and so on.

Believe you will find marque organizations (such as MVA and SAAC) trending toward closer to the "closer to how they were built the better" sort of thing.

Like everything we all have our interpretations of what that means - be they close or far from one another ;)
 
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What if cars are qualified by class, and then, when judges come to the car, an additional person checks all the various operating components, or watches the car owner operate them for the judges? If something is out of working order, points are deducted or a car is disqualified ?

This may not be a very good suggestion, and I admit that I have never shown a car, nor have I judged one, but it comes to me off the top of my head that this MAY be a way to implement the desire of some of us to have the cars inspected for operational qualities.

Just a suggestion !
 
#28 ·
There are a couple problems with that. The first is that it requires the owner to be present when the car is judged. Second is that the MCA insurance policy prohibits the starting of cars during show hours.

SAAC does operational checks at the car when judging begins. They don't have quite as many cars as MCA has though.
 
#29 ·
Ok , I understand about not starting the cars. Or, disqualify a car that is not running under it's own power as it is being entered ?? While it is running at entry, make the driver put it into reverse to demonstrate the back up lights?

What if the owner or his or her designated representative is required to be present to turn the ignition switch on to run the radio, wipers, blinkers, horn, headlights, emergency flashers, air conditioner, fan, etc.

If an owner does not want to be present at judging or have a designee, deduct ponits for not being willing to demonstrate the abilities of the electrical components of the car ?

Just suggestions. and I would be fully willing to do any and all of the above. Let me be the guinea pig at the Pensacola show.
 
#30 ·
It's a major policy change that would require a recommendation by the MCA national head judge and a vote by the MCA BOD. It is not do-able this coming show season and will have to wait until at least the '08 judges meeting later in the year.
 
#31 ·
I thought that "concours" meant better than factory origonal.
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It is possible to over-restore a car. In MCA rules concours is defined as the "car as it was delivered to the original owner wihtout modfications". As MMV mentioned, the cars weren't perfect from Ford, so the imperfections that were characteristic of each of the various assembly plants are expected to be incorporated in the restoration process. It takes reasearch and knowledge of the specific plant to get those details correct. There is a tendency to make things too perfect when a good body shop gets ahold of a car; but you can't blame them for wanting to do a good job!

I entered a non-MCA concours show this past summer and the operational inspection was very thorough. Personally, I enjoy hearing the cars as much as seeing them. Listening to a well tuned engine of any kind is an enjoyable part of the experience; it it's a Boss, CJ, or K code all the better!
 
#32 ·
dallas702 said:
66kgt said:
I generally drive my concours trailered car at least a few miles once a week during the summer and always drive it on and off the trailer at the shows. I even put it through it's paces a few laps on the track at the MCA 35th at Birmingham last year. Just because I show in trailered does not mean I don't drive it.

As far as everything working I'm down to two items... the console storage compartment light (still need to fix the little copper switch) and for some reason I have yet to figure out why my emergency flashers do not work.
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By any chance do your emergency flashers work only at the rear, but not the front?
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Nope, they don't work period. I've got a new relay to put in it, just haven't got around to trying it yet to see if that is the problem or not.
 
#33 ·
Having a Concours Trailered car is very much like having a race car. There is always something to check, upgrade, clean before every show.
So, there might be some wear showing but the rules require the car to be near "as delivered", but there is a small bent to that. Plates on some cars, city stickers etc. And, it is very hard to keep the car in that condition. Look at the amount of Gold awards given out. Like it's some kind of dis to get a silver or bronze in Concours. So, I think those folks don't enter unless the believe they have achieved the excellence required.
Driving: I'd like to think of my car more as a Trailer Princess rather than a Queen. Open trailer. But gee, I used to drive it hundreds of miles to a show, (one time in a 4 hour thunderstorm) enter Concours, then drive it home. And around to the local shows, I still drive it.
Tech inspection: I remember those. SAAC still does them. I can take them or leave them. I see some CT cars getting loaded right next to where they were parked at a show. what, driven about 25 feet. My problem is where the rules state "Driven onto the show feild". Well, if you can't do that, why even bring it. And that one may or not be enforced.
 
#34 ·
Everyone’s input into this thread is most interesting. It just goes to show that all of us are opinionated. Let us not forget that we all choose to participate in MCA, or any other shows by personal choice. If we know what the rules state, then we all should prepare our cars for judging in those particular classes. As Charles has stated, the time to possibly modify some rules will be at the end of the 2008 show season. So I would suggest that folks wanting specific changes attend the shows, document what they see and bring positive solutions to the Head Judges at the end of the year. If it’s important to the majority, the changes will get implemented. Until then, I will personally attend these types of shows with the intent on learning more, but more importantly, enjoying the Mustang Hobby.

MMV
 
#35 ·
Tough topic...

I always find it hard to see the line between, better than original vs. modified. I you choose to paint every piece wouldn't that be a modified car? I you choose to keep parts as natural metal, some suface rust would be natural, right?

How do judges see/score natural metal? Must it be rust free? Can it be coated with some type of rust prevention, if so, that is not original, right?

This is where it's all gray to me...
 
#36 ·
Charles,
To bring a positive suggestion to the table...I could see a different level of judge for the tech inspection. Just about anybody could do the tech. You don't have to know much about anything on any year car. Just checking turn signals, back up lights, etc. I for one would be willing to help with this (at least for the shows I could attend.)

Another thing to consider is that the tech inspection could help to make the judging more objective.
Dave
 
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#38 ·
I was going to suggest that an extra helper be assigned to do tech inspections but I did not want to be viewd as a continual trouble maker and argumentive person "pot stirrer" as I have been referred to on this website. I too would be willing to help do that..Heck, a drunk monkey could be trained to watch someone turn on headlights, air coditioners and blinkers!
 
#39 ·
When we did the tech inspections at our National (and at our annual regional show), we had one person in the front, one in the rear, and one person giving the owner instructions. It went quickly and well. The people front and rear did not have to be trained judges, just good observers.
 
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#40 ·
There's no question that it can be done, it's just something that would need to be looked at and fine-tuned for efficiency.
 
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