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1.2K views 6 replies 3 participants last post by  DAVZ289  
#1 ·
For those of you who have read my previous posts about my high rpm skip, and the solution, this is an extention of that.

(Basic idea of previous posts was that the original ignition in my 66 only provided 8 volts to the coil, which was not enough to run the MSD with malfunction.)

My idea is to bypass the resistor wire by running a new piece of wire from the key side of the ignition to the other side of the harness where the wires to the coil and solenoid are connected.

From the shop manual, and searching under the dash with a flashlight, I have determined that the resistor wire is the fat pink wire that runs from the key side of the ignition to the side of the harness inside the car, and on the firewall. This is labeled 16A in the shop manual.

On the other side of the harness, (firewall, inside engine bay) two wires stem out from the post where 16A is connected to, wire 262, which goes to the (I) post on the starter solenoid, and wire 16/16B, which runs to the positive side of the coil.

Currently, I have a wire which runs from the key side of the ignition switch, to an external relay, which is connected to the battery, and then flips over allowing juice to the coil when the key is turned on.

What I want to do is bypass the resistor wire by running from the key side of the ignition and then connecting it to wires 262 and 16/16B.

My first question then is there a full 12V on the key side of the ignition?

If so, does anyone see any other reasons why this would not work to get 12V to the coil?

A mustang guy I work with frequently said that the starter soleniod may get burned out by running the higher voltage through the I post all the time, is this a possibility?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Dave
 
#2 ·
A mustang guy I work with frequently said that the starter soleniod may get burned out by running the higher voltage through the I post all the time, is this a possibility?
Nonesense. I by-passed my resistor wire, doing just what you suggested, a couple years ago on my '66 and it's my daily driver, 365 days/year.

If you're coil can take a full 12v and you no longer have points, there's ZERO reason for the resistor wire.

That being said, the resistor wire is not your problem. As we stated in your other post, your coil is being powered by the MSD6A-L. The MSD6 box doesn't care if you have a resistor wire or not. It gets it's power straight from the battery (it can use the resistor wire to signal "on" or "off" of the engine ... or a full 12v, it simply doesn't care). The full 12v battery power via the BIG red wire charges the capacitor in the box, and that capacitor is what is supplying a full 12v to your coil, regardless of whether or not you have a resistor wire still installed.
 
#3 ·
In looking back over your prior posts, my first guess is that your MSD6A-L is hooked up way wrong. The ONLY thing that can hook to the coil is the wires from the MSD6. DO NOT run any other wires from anywhere to the coil. The MSD supplies the voltage for the coil ... NOTHING else does.

Maybe you should describe how your MSD box is hooked up (and refresh our memories of exactly what your ignition system is made up of).
 
#4 ·
Johnpro--

Thanks for your responses on bypassing the resistor wire. I also did not think that it would hurt the solenoid, but I wanted to make sure.

I do think that you have my posts confused, or you just misread them, as I do NOT have a MSD box. I have the ready to run dizzy, 8352, which runs straight off the blaster III coil, which in turn currently gets its power from an external relay, but previously from wire 16/16B.

I may get the 6AL box in the near future, but I would like to eliminate some excess wiring right now, and make a better solution to get the 12V.

Was there a preferred way you found to by pass the wire? My plan was just to run another wire through the firewall through an alternate hole, and then connect to the 2 wires on the other side. Were you able to actually tap into the harness, remove the resistor wire, and install a new one, or did you do something like I have mentioned?

Thanks
Dave
 
#5 ·
that wire going to solenoid is a "wired or" circuit in logic terms which means you get voltage from one wire or other. when you are in "start" position that provides 12 Vs to coil which overrides the 6 to 9 Vs from the resistor wire and gives more voltage to coil during cranking for better starting since starter pulls battery voltage down to 9 to 10 Vs during cranking. as soon as you release ign key to "run" that 12 V goes away because of relay in solenoid. you won't harm anything if you jumper around or replace "pink"/ballast wire - i would just leave it there if you should ever decide to go back. just connect it as you suggested and you will have 12 Vs for coil in "run" poosition of ignition switch. PM me if questions.
 
#6 ·
Woops, so sorry. I could have sworn that you'd said you had an MSD6A-L. That changes everything, and maybe the low voltage is actually causing the miss.

I actually just clipped the resistor wire and stripped it about 1/2" from the firewall and connected to it. Not the best way in the world, I'm sure, but effective and it works well. It may drop me still a couple amps, but the drop is very minimal with only 1/2" long resistor wire.