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Frame rail repair or replacement.

7.9K views 33 replies 11 participants last post by  Will-E  
#1 ·
I need to fix some cracks and such in the frame rails. I'm wondering what the best way to do this is.

In my mind, I don't think taking off the old ones is a good option, I think this could twist or flex my car?? I figure i can have someone weld the cracks up and such, but to give it extra strength weld on more steel around it?

Or should i just take the old ones off and have new ones put on?
 
#8 ·
Take your grinder to it to be sure what's really there and not .
 
#10 ·
AS long as you have no leaks. I would put a cover or divider up to keep the sparks from directly hitting the tank area.
Is this the crack that the little tyrant inspector is failing you on? Shoot, I had a 1986 Suburban that was literaly held together by the rust. If I poked the rust, something would fall off. Though I would get this fixed, I doubt it is a critical failure that will cause your car to spill its occupants all over the road!
 
#14 ·
Definitely need to clean that up. Looks like there is lots of goop/undercoating of some kind on there. Extent of damage is unknown. When you say "crack" it could actually be a crack in the coating which is indicative of extensive rust underneath swelling outward to crack the coating. Even if you have to replace the whole rail, it shouldn't be terrible unless you find you need to replace trunk floors, tail light panel, drop offs, etc. etc. These things can escalate, but yeah, start with a grinder and see what you got!
 
#16 ·
Not only is this a fail on the inspection but the frame crack and my brakes were considered a "Major defect"... which means I couldnt drive my car home from the inspection centre. They were forcing me to tow it back home and wouldn't let me drive it. They revoked my registration right there and then. Thats when i went from a 5/10 to at least a 8/10 pissed off..So i grabbed my keys off their counter and said yeah try and stop me, and drove it home. lol Without saying laws here are ridiculous.
 
#18 · (Edited)
The first 6" or so of my front frame rails had a few bubbles and some corrosion - probably would have lasted another 40 years but I decided to make some reinforcements out of 11ga. and weld them on over what was existing. I'll be welding along the perimeter seams and also using some plug welds in the center area. The pieces that you see on the side of frame were bent at a 90 so they also cover the lower/bottom section of the frame area. I think will be much more solid than original when done. This could be an option for those who have intact frame sections that just need some help w/o having to replace the whole thing. The pieces on the lower core support are more cosmetic as some PO hammered up the lower corner area and ruptered the metal but they won't hurt in helping to make for a more rigid system. I'm also working on a gusset to tie the 2 angled beams together so they don't have to rely on the core support for stability. I should probably be stopped before this gets out of control.
 

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#26 · (Edited)
I should probably be stopped before this gets out of control.
Agreed. Not sure I would ever buy a car with Frankenstein looking patches all over the frame rails. It's not much more difficult to just replace the rails in whole or in part. It's one thing to cut out the bad metal and butt weld a patch in, grinding the welds down to make it "disappear". But lap welding reinforcing patches all over the place is unnecessary. For the sake of the next guy/gal, just do it right!
 
#19 ·
I think What im gonna do is grind off at least 6inches around all the bad spots. But yes as for frame rails this is the only bad spot. I do have rust holes in other areas of the flooring. My undercarriage is covered in rust and crap... most of it is covered up by thick goop and bedliner. one day id love to really do the entire thing properly but Id like to eventually learn how to weld and do it myself.
 
#29 ·
My undercarriage is covered in rust and crap... most of it is covered up by thick goop and bedliner.
This is the statement that makes me wonder if the inspector got it right. In Massachusetts you won't pass with floor pan rust. Surface rust yes, but not rust through.
 
#21 ·
After recently patching a 6x6" section of my floor (fortunately the only bad spot and was right below the passeger seat so I think could have been caused by a Gramma's bladder control problem). Through this I fully realized how thin that floor panel material actually is. Now I understand why these cars where so much lighter than the others at that time.
 
#24 ·
You may want to pull your rear seat and look at if from above. You may see the damage better. If your rear window is leaking and water is pooling under the seat it runs down right through that part of the frame rail. Doesn't take long to rot it all out. If you need to replace the area they make a patch panel that welds in there. Most Mustang suppliers sell them. Depending on the amount of the damage you can do this without replacing the whole rail. Mine were gone far enough that I just replace the whole rail.
 
#32 ·
Be sure to remove the rear seat, pull up the carpet and place some metal spark shields around at minimum. As far as the not right after comment, I would guarantee some of my welding and unibody repairs have resulted in cars within a tighter spec. than that which they left the factory with!