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HP loss through my c4/stall?

2.9K views 9 replies 4 participants last post by  6t9mach1  
#1 ·
Just thinking out loud...

If I indeed built a 300-325fwhp 302, I should be making at least 240whp with 20% loss. I made 215-222whp on my 2 runs, untuned...

Could I really be losing 25% through a c4 and a stall that stalls between 2200-2400? Should all of this Horsepower math be taking with a grain of salt?
I cant imagine loss through an AOD or c6...



302
224@.050 .532lift with 1.7rr's HFT cam
GT40 iron heads (ported, blended bowls, milled)
9:7:3 compression
edelbrock 600 carb (stock parts)
port matched Air Gap style manifold
1.7/8 long tubes with 2.5'' exhaust
c4 with 2200 stall converter
 
#2 ·
You dont lose a total 25% through the transmission. Alot of that is lost through the power transfer to the driveshaft and in the rear end. C4's lose about 25-30 hp typically. My guess by looking at your engine specs is that you arent making 300hp...sorry :shrug:

What brand of dyno did you run on? Some are stingier with the hp numbers than others.
 
#4 ·
well at 20% loss im pretty close. I have seen more mild builds with low rise intakes and non ported iron heads making 280-300 on engine dyno's.

Figured I would have pulled it off with ported cobra heads, and high riser port matched intake and more cam...
 
#5 ·
#6 ·
I saw your post over at fordmuscle and responded about HP loss. One thing I should also say is that if it is untuned, don't worry about it. With carb tune and timing tune you can get to the 240 mark and maybe more. I remember the first time I had my car tuned after the build I picked up 19 HP on carb tune alone.
 
#7 ·
Yea you are everywhere! Anyways I think your right on that. The only tune that has been done is simply adjusting A/F by sound and kind of playing with timing but not for long. The dyno run was for a baseline not a tune.

I wouldnt mind trying a holley style carb to have more tuning capabilities...

-thanks for the replies, my father has always had
hot rods and mustangs but this is my first personal performance oriented build!



Edit: I just checked timing, it was 8 initial and about 30 total. Now its 10 initial and should make it 32 total...8 was a bit low I think?
 
#8 ·
I did a quicky Desktop Dyno on your motor and, yes, you should be making over 300hp. Not sure what your heads flow so I cant give specific numbers. Your lower than expected numbers are probably from not having the motor tuned properly. As has been mentioned you can pick up a lot of hp with a tune.
 
#9 ·
Cool, I wasnt trying to attack you when you said I prob dont make 300 at the engine but I had researched similar builds alot before I did this engine.

Im thinking that more timing now and possibly even bumping it up to 12 if it runs well at 10 iniital will provide slightly more performance.
 
#10 ·
Its all good, I didnt think that you were attacking me. I was just suprised that it would make that much power. The big cam does that motor alot of good. Good luck with your tuning :thumbsup: The extra timing advance will definitely help you out. Also, is your carb the manual choke or electric choke (1406) variety? 1406's are jetted pretty lean from the factory