never seen a pattern like that.

i think you are just mistaken because of shifter slop.

 

For a three speed transmission that would require three shift linkages on the side of the tranny. Typically a 3 speed would only have two, two gears on each linkage. Quite possible its a sloppy shifter, but man it would have to be super sloppy to have three gears in a forward position and only one in a downward position.

Scott

 

hunch is that could be a truck tranny.
I once had a truck 4 speed top loader and the high gear was over and up./
I did some heating welding and bending and got to reverse the tabs!!

 

What would happen if a linkage is not installed?? Would that explain why I am not able to go straight down?? I mean straight down from 1 to 2. Which then means it a T4. I will go under the car tomorrow to check whats going on there.

 

First off, are you sure it's a 3 speed? Is it possible it's actually an out of adjustment 4 speed? Is it a 4 speed shifter someone put on a 3 speed?(not likely!)
That pattern you indicate makes no sense.

 

When I was 16 I put a floor shifter in my 62 Ranchero with a three on the tree.
When I was done that was the pattern I had. I thought I would just get used to it but my Dad insisted I fix it.
Thing was, the link connectors that attach to the trans I had pointing down because the floor wouldn't let them attach in the up position. I ended up cutting the floor so I could swap the linkage 180 degrees.
Then all was correct..

 

maybe its a toplader with a completely stripped 2nd gear. i have seen a few over the years where the little teeth on a gear were completely grond off from missing shifts but continuing to grind it in gear. if its done enough nothing happens when you put it in gear. can you post a foto of the trans and the tag letter info thats on the right side of the gear case ?

also 2nd and 3rd gears on a 4 speed are the two gears that usually get stripped. sometimes i get stripped and its not a pretty picture.

 

The only Thing I am sure about because that was the only gear I used is the Position of "R". There is a barrier and if you cross the barrier you are getting left and up. From there you are not getting straight down. The shifter moves back into Center and you are able to go up only. If you go back to Center you can go to the right and up and down. The fact that the "R" is up left somehow indicates that it must be a 4 Speed or not??
Yep I will defenitly go under the car and take some pics.

 

What is a T4?

 

I'd have to see a photo of the shifter and linkage before I'd even guess. I do have my suspicions, though.

 

The shift pattern you show is impossible on a Ford T&C 3-speed. Why? Because 1st and reverse are on the same shift pawl. One way is 1st and the other, reverse, so they would have to be opposite each other. Second and third are on the other pawl so they'd be opposite each other as well. Pictures would sure help.

It looks to me like a 4 speed shifter installed on a 4 speed tranny that is WAY out of adjustment, preventing 2nd gear engagement, and has the 3-4 plate flipped upside down.

 

It looks to me like a 4 speed shifter installed on a 4 speed tranny that is WAY out of adjustment, preventing 2nd gear engagement, and has the 3-4 plate flipped upside down.

Aw jeeze, you may have spoiled the surprise. Well, I'm still hoping for photos.

 

Here are some pics. Hopefully it is showing the important part. The drawing I did was done according how I am able to move the shifter. As I said the only Position I am sure of is "R". The car is not in a driving condition and I am not able to test the upper gears. This Project went thru different People over the past 4 years and I am trying to pt the puzzle together now. So yes it could be a four Speed. Something that might be also usefull are the Pictures where you see the shifter. This is showing Position 3 and 2 from my drawing. The Problem is that in Position 2 the shifter is bumping into the Chassis which makes me think that the adjustement must be wrong.

c u

george

 

4 speed top loader...well if you get it to shift that is, lol. lucky you.

start spraying wd40 on box, might get lucky

should be washers under the nuts on rods

middle rod is 1 and 2 put a wrench on the nut on trans that attaches to. try to move it both directions.

put allen wrench in neutral alignment hole while in neutral. if it does not go thru then adjust rods until it does.

 

That is a four speed shifter. My guess is that either something is hooked up wrong, or you have a gear you can't get into.

Most likely a combo. I think you can't get into 2nd and the 3-4 shift lever is inverted.

 

Thanks guys that makes sense! Would the adjustement also solve the bumping chasis issue with gear 4?? As mentioned that was an automatic before. Could it be that the hole in the chasis is to small and I simply Need to cut it a bit wider??

 

Yes the adjustment should fix it and no you don't need to cut the hole assuming you have the correct shifter setup... Can you provide pics of the shifter arms on the transmission? Seeing the shifter is only half of the needed info.

 

i would never cut the body.

 

It is almost dark so no more pics today. I tried to push the ones I did maybe that helps.

George

 

show us pictures of the other end of the rods. Need to see what the levers on the trans look like.

 

Oh man this is the type of work where you wish you could lift that Thing a bit higher Anyway I took two shots. One Shows the allen wrench after adjustement inside the neutral hole. The other pic Shows the other Connection and I think that is where the Problem is coming from. The linkage for gear 1 and 2 is the one on the left side. If you try to put in gear 2 the lower part of the linkage bumps into the linkage of 3 and 4. My Feeling is that they somehow mixed the linkages or installed them in the wrong directions.

George

 

the empty bolt is for reverse lockout, not needed.

someone might post photos soon of how it goes.

i think 1 of your plates might be on backwards.

 

Not sure what rod means?? I did everything according to the instruction. Put the shifter into Neutral and then loose the bolts and adjust everything with the hole. What concerns me a bit is that the drivshaft still was blocked and you could not spin it??

 

 

ehhh! how is that going for you?
thats definitely a top loader and I bet by the linkage bushing stuff a 71-73 vintage stock looking linkage. (stock hurst for ford) so I hope you have the car that is worthy. 70-73 mach cleveland cobra jet but from my recollection of your hole (again only limited info) you have a 65 to 68 there. Thta said it all should still work. But I wouldnt make the bet that you wouldnt have to neatly just make the hole a little larger/2 slices and bend it up or whatever works. But dont cut the tunnel just yet or unless you have too..
Back to your pics.. the first of you pics that show the side of the trans..in that one photo the middle of the pic is your reverse gear.. then the 1,2 and then the 3,4.

 

ok bartyls xlnt photo says your rear plate is upside down.

currently when you put it in first it is actually second due to the upside down plate.

 

ok bartyls xlnt photo says your rear plate is upside down.

currently when you put it in first it is actually second due to the upside down plate.

yes this is the correct answer to his problem.

 

I played some more with it and I think I know what the Problem is but not how to solve it. I made three pics of the linkage for gear 1 and 2. First pic is in gear 1, second neutral and third 3. I am able to get 3 engage if I loose the Connection to the shifter. By having the linkage in my Hand I am able to shift. There are two issues then when I try to get into gear 2 and I hope you can see that from the pics. The linkage is almost touching the Transmission already when I go into neutral. Then in gear 2 it hits the linkage of the reverse.

 

your linkage rods are hooked up wrong, the one closest to the tail shaft needs to be flipped and the center one needs to be flipped. here is a pic from the under side of my car to compare with.

 

my car does use reverse lock out.

ok i think that reverse is forward on the 70 and later shifters which is what he has. i could easily be wrong though which would make bartlys assy wrong and i ain't goin there, lol..

 

ok i think that reverse is forward on the 70 and later shifters which is what he has. i could easily be wrong though which would make bartlys assy wrong and i ain't goin there, lol..

ya you have a point, mine is all 1967. and I ain't going there either. but it appears that the back linkage is in fact up side down.