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McKay

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I'm about to start my winter project and I'm looking to learn a little more before I do.

I'm going to insulate the car. Should I float the insulation beneath the carpet or glue it to the floor? If i float it I would tape it down so it wouldn't slide. I have read people doing both.
Why one over the other? Is there a noise or vibration reduction advantage one way or the other?
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I like to glue it down in the floor where people get in an out. Because I've had cars where the carpet was in place (mostly) but the insulation was sort of wadded up under it. Obviously from some sort of weird repeated kicking motion which I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be doing but I want to be sure I don't have to ever deal with the underlayment moving around. Carpet is like a permanent point of my cars. When it goes in I expect to never pull it out like I might with an engine.
 
It depends on the media you are using. The tar backed styles are meant to be dropped in and stay put by them selves. Obviously things like Lizard Skin are sprayed on and done. Anything you 'glue' in place will make it that much harder to remove if you have to later. Taping things in place works if taping to itself, but to the floors the tape usually doesn't stick very long. That said, I usually use a rubber backed foam that comes in sheets and forms to the floors and stays in place pretty well. Unfortunately I have no idea what brand it is- I bought a '76 Maverick project a few years ago and the PO had about 50 new sheets of the stuff in the trunk and back seat, but no boxes or labels. I've been using it for the last few years and been really happy with it. My best guess is that it's a DynaMat knock off of some sort..
 
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To Float or Stick

So glueing it or not doesn't affect how quiet/cool the cabin is?


Also, I have seen product with a foil layer that is made to go against the floor and product that is designed go on the outside toward the cabin.

What is the theory of where the foil goes?
 
So gluing it or not doesn't affect how quiet/cool the cabin is?
I don't claim to be an expert but I don't see how.
Foil isn't a good insulator, it reflects OK though. The mat type stuff is a compromise. The black stuff is sound absorber. Like how you can damp a ringing bell by laying your hand on it. Thus the people who make and sell it often say you only need to stick pieces of it here and there for it to have good effect. If you pull out the interior of a later model luxury car you'll see similar stuff used exactly that way. But since we are hot rodders and don't have sound labs to test where we actually need it we just paste it all over. The foil back is just a bonus, I doubt it helps with insulation. But it looks nicer, is easier to apply, and keeps your other stuff from sticking to the mat.
I like that mat. Stick some inside your doors and it gives them a nice thump when you close them versus a clang. Lots of folks have found it to quiet a car down nicely. For actual heat insulation you need some underlayment though. Lots of places sell some stuff that looks like bubble wrap with mylar on each side. You'd think it would help but somebody finally tested some out there on the net and found it actually had an insulative R value like a few sheets of paper or something. Meaning a whole lot of us wasted money on that stuff. It kind of makes crinkly noises under carpet anyway.
Mat (or some variation of it), heavy underlayment, carpet. Nothing you wouldn't find on a nice new car. It works.
I have noticed newer cars often have the underlayment glued to the back of the carpet. They call this "mass-backed" carpet. I suspect it's done only to make it quicker and easier to assemble the car when new. I know for sure it makes it a LOT easier to install new carpet of that style in my driveway. (IF the company didn't trim it too short on the passenger's right front footwell. Hear that ACC?)
 
I dynomatted my entire floor and a few areas in the doors and quarters. I then used ACC's mass backed carpet (insulation already glued to carpet). I did spray glue the insulation/carpet down in key areas like the footwells and rocker sides. I didn't go crazy, just enough to tack it down, in case I ever need to replace it. My car was very quiet until I installed the much louder dual exhaust, but still pretty quiet with the windows up.
 
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