Well I am starting to build a different engine for the 67. this is a long term build, I am debating on doing a 427 small block or a 428 big block.
Both will have 4spd with 3.50 gear set in the rear. it will be 90% driver. it might see the drag strip once. But that would be it. mainly looking for driveability.

Thanks
Steve

Really hard to beat a 351W stroker. Big block power in a small block package.

 

x2, its just a lighter smaller package. but with 427 CID you will have to go with a forged crank. 408 is about as big you should go with a cast crank.

 

that was what I was wondering. if it would have bigblock power.

Will it need roughly the same size cooling system for both?

 

close enough yes.

be careful buying a rad most are overseas and have tiny tubes. i suggest either northern or coolcraft/us rad.

4 row high effeciency or aluminum 2 row

190 high flow t stat.

thermal 6 blade clutch fan for a non racer otherwise 6 blade 1717p flex - lite fixed fan.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/flx-1717p

 

I guess I would not need a forge crank for what I will do with it. maybe a 408 would do just fine.

 

you don't want to go more on the bore than necessary. .040" max if possible.

 

thanks guys I appreciate the info

 

434 inch 400M-based stroker. Big block grunt, Cleveland power.

 

Now you are talking, hard to beat that Cleveland power up top. Or even the 427 with Cleveland heads would be a real monster.irate:

 

most builds are based on a 4.030 bore... the extra cubes comes from the rods.. with the wicked angle for a 427, a forged crank is a must.. 408 a cast crank is fine. making 475-500 hp from a 408 build is pretty much the norm unless going with a factory head which would be a waist... decent prept 408 short block, edelbrock top end kit? you would be over 450 hp I would bet.. and you can have a good 408 short block built for $2500 all over the place. $2k into a top end kit, decent headers, ignition, carb, etc... I would bet you could do it for under $5500 turn key if you shop around....

 

I still remember the 428 BB mustang I drove, just felt like a different animal.

 

That's the nice thing about the extra deck height of the 400M, the ability to use a long rod....

 

Not familiar with the 351C/400M stroker builds, but the small package-big power combo is a tried/true concept. I almost always lean toward the lighter package anyway, due to my addiction to corner carving....so I vote to spend your money on the small-block stroker!!!

 

Engine weights:

351W - 525 lbs.
351C - 550 lbs.
351M/400M - 575 lbs.

I think that the power potential of the extra 30 cubes and the Cleveland heads more than makes up for the 50# weight penalty of going with the 351M/400M block-based stroker. The only "negative" is that it's an inch, overall, wider than the 351W so it would be a tight fit in a '65-66, but certainly would fit well in the roomy '67 and up. The one other obstacle, unless you can find a '71-era passenger car 400M is the use of the 385-series bellhousing pattern which, to me, isn't a big deal.

 

There are a number of factors which should influence your decision.

What do you have now?

If you have a small block, a lot of your parts will interchange with a Windsor or Cleveland engine.

If you go to the FE be prepared to spend a lot more money. Good (used) blocks are very hard to find. The 445 (390 version) strokers are the cheapest way to go.

If you are doing a street engine or road course engine, you want torque. Cubic inches gives you this, along with good port velocity in the heads and intake (as opposed to massive ports)

The Cleveland is an interesting choice and a cool looking engine. Going to a 2V style head will be the way to go for a torqy street engine. The vintage engine blocks tend to be the weak link.
There is also the clevor (Windsor block, Cleveland heads)

Lotsa options with the 351W based strokers. 408 is good for the stock block, anything more and you'll want an aftermarket block.

Good luck

 

Big block 428. Can't go wrong. Cool factor? Check. Lots of torque for street use? Check. Expensive? Check. But if you're worried about expenses then this 'habit' might not be for you. It will eventually pile up as you go along no matter what. Suspension, brakes, frame, rear end, etc. needs to be upgraded anyway right? So why settle for a stroked windsor?

I have an info on a guy (from network54) that is selling his 428 0.015 over already prepped and painted. It is not cheap. PM me and I can give you his info. I got his info a month after I decided to build a 390 FE. That is the reason why I didn't bought it from him. The block is in Fresno, CA.

I haven't been around a lot, but most 67 and 68 mustangs I've seen (car shows or someone's collection) they all have small block engines.

Just my opinion.

 

I know What your saying on the expense side of things. I have a 1972 torino fast back drag car with a 572 big block ford. I have a few fe parts around along with some clevelands stuff too. right now the car has a 302 in it with an automatic. this is a long term project just trying to get some ideas.
Thank you
Steve

 

don't beat around the bush, stroke a 428!

 

This, punch it out in the 500ci range, now we are talking. If you are going to go stupid, and I highly recomend it, go full bore stupid. Just set it up to be streetable, lots of torque and lots of street fun.

 

Back in the day (70s) , I owned a 67 GT 500.....which ,IIRC, was the only dual four barrel car. That lump up front made the foulest handling car I ever owned....plowed like a draft horse. It was stolen so I never reached the positive side of the equation.

 

I love the FE engines but power to weight you are probably better off with the sb 427

 

Cool factor goes to the big block for sure..Everything else I would have to go with the Windsor stroker..The blocks are tough and can be found cheap. Put some decent heads on them and they make great power.. Having the same mounts and trans pattern as the 289/302s make them an easy and cheap swap into a mustang..

 

For cool factor nothin like an Allison fighter engine! Why stop at a wimpy big block?

Guess I need to say LOL or JK.

 

From your posts limited information, you desire a big block ci, and a 90% street driver, I'll throw this option for consideration. Ford racing 351Z block @ $3500 is very reasonable. Aluminium dart block are much more. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6010-z351. 427+ stroker, 205+AFR heads or comp., hyd roller cam etc...etc.. Now you have ci in a very lightweight package. I have a 418w stock block and would love to have this block in my mustang.

 

The 408 is a proven solid setup. It's easy to make reliable power, and all the parts are easily attainable.

 

I have driven and built several of these engines. I'm now running a 428CJ it has the most pure torque of them all. In saying that you can build a 351w to make the power that is already there with the Big Block. you can control the weight by using aluminum heads and intake.

 

How about a 502'ed 460, as long as we're talking about and weighing in cost and availability of parts? Stock 70's heads with a port job are still a good option. D0VE heads ares till pretty sought after. :thumbsup:

Talk about a torque monster!

 

Was waiting for someone to chime in with this. Even a stock 460 makes ridiculous torque, and they are plentiful, affordable, can be found just about everywhere, as are their parts. They are just about the same size as an FE as well. Stroke it to 502 and you'll have to have your passengers sign a disclaimer about their shorts!

If time was no option, I'd go this route myself.

 

In this thread, I've yet to read anyone ask the OP was there a 428 in the car originally. If the car had a 428 from the factory, I'd say stick with the 428. If not, the 351W stroker is the better choice. Depending on your budget, either engine could be the higher HP/TQ option. If HP is your only goal, turbo it.

 

I think his earlier posts indicate he has a 302 auto

 

Bartl - I did not realize the C/M series were a bit heavier - I was just lumping them all in a pile .vs the 428+ motors. We are on the same page for this one. I would have no interest in the C/M series in a '65/'66.....

 

But an FE with aluminum top end weighs a tip over 500 lbs. Not much difference compared to a stroked 351w or cleveland if its for street use.

Shhhh....!!! Don't let facts get in the way. Keep folks thinking FE's suck, weigh 1200 lbs and are super expensive... so the few of us that like them can keep prices down. And they really are not that much different in cost, a lot more if you want OEM/original parts for a 428CJ/SC, but after market cost is about the same for a big or small block stoker.

Even in stock form a 428 ran from about 570/610 lbs, a 351W 510/540-ish, so not a staggering difference. Half a tank of gas and you make up 50 lbs, so never fill your tank as it too heavy! :0/

Go FE, they just look better!

 

Sorry. FE do suck. I believe they are called "anchors." Not very appealing. Four cylinder turbo charged is the way to go.

 

Engine

I'd suggest the 390 stroked to 445 as suggested by several others. Plenty of RPMs, awful lot of torque. Makes a great street motor. Check out Survival Motorsports.

 

A little more back ground on the car and me. I am 42 years old I have drag raced a 1972 torino for 24 years now it has ran 9.90 at 140 so far. It does have a bigblock in it 572 trickflow headed ford engine.

So with the mustang I would prefer not to end up with another drag car. Just a nice driveable combo. but some wow factor with it, in other words be able to spin the tires easy. I do like horsepower, but I have one that is allready wild.

My wife calls me a hoarder when it comes to engine parts.
A small list of what I have

2 390 blocks and parts
1 351w complete
1 351c Complete
2 460 blocks
and the 68 302 that is in it.

this why I am kinda undecided on which way to go.

keep the responses coming it is helping me decide

Thank you
Steve