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66 mustang carburetor problems!!

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#1 ·
I have a 66 mustang 289 with a holley 600 cfm carburetor but i think it is too small for my engine because it stalls when i accelerate like if no fuel was being injected in there. it seems like it wants to turns off but after awhile it finally kicks in . They told me i need a 700 cfm carb

I have a 480 lift racing cam and camshaft
High performance intake
Headers
high performance rocker arms
gears
C4 transmission :)

It stalls when i go from a stop. Do i need a bigger carb ?
 
#2 ·
IMO you don't need a bigger carb. Lots of folks think bigger is better.
I have an original 1965 K code 289 Hipo engine/Mustang with its original Autolite 4100 "Hipo" carburetor which I understand is rated at just a tad less than 600cfm, it runs the engine just fine, I think your holley 600 will be ok for what you are running but it sounds like it might need to be rebuilt and/or re-jetted.
 
#9 ·
you can check the accelerator pump by removing the air cleaner, engine off,and look into the primary's and open the throttle. You should see a nice stream off gas come out of the nozzle. The accelerator pump diaphragm could be ruptured or assembled incorrectly if recently rebuilt. It also could be not adjusted correctly. A 600 vac secondary carb only has a accelerator pump on the front bowl.
 
#11 ·
A little more info is needed, such as the carb "list" number which is stamped into the front of the air horn, the piece that sticks up into the air cleaner. However, given that it's probably a "universal" Holley 600 like an O-1850 or an O-80457 here are some things to check:

1. First, eliminate the ignition system as a source of your problem. Hook up a timing light and run the wires out under the hood and duct-tape it to the wiper so you can see it flash from the driver's seat. Go out for a drive and try to duplicate the symptoms. If the light stops flashing while your symptoms occur then you know the problem is with spark delivery and not fuel delivery. If everything is good, then some things to look at follow:

a. Check the output of the fuel pump at the carburetor. You should have enough fuel flow to fill up a quart container in about 10 seconds of operation and at a pressure of between 5 & 6 psi.

b. If you have a fuel filter installed before the fuel pump, replace it with fuel line and install one AFTER the pump. Mechanical fuel pumps are notorious for difficulties sucking through partially plugged filters but have no problem pumping through them.

c. If you had decent flow and pressure, check the fuel filter installed at the carburetor inlet, if any. Replace as needed.

d. If you had poor flow but acceptable pressure, check the fuel cap to make sure the vent (if the system is vented) is functioning. You can typically pull air through the vent, but not push air out.

e. Let your sample in the jar sit for a half-hour or so. If you see water collecting at the bottom or bits of rust or dirt in the sample consider draining and inspecting or replacing the fuel tank &/or lines.

f. Check the fuel lines while the engine is running from the pump back to the tank. If you see any damp spots replace the bad line. Fuel pumps are good at pumping fuel but crappy at pumping air picked up through leaks in rubber or steel line.

g. Check the carburetor for external fuel leaks. Any leak is a reason to stop and just rebuild it now.

h. Check the float level (on a cold engine only) by placing damp (not wet) rags below the sight plugs on the side of the carburetor, remove them and start the engine. Fuel should be visible just at the bottom of the hole trying but not able to come out. Adjust the float by loosening the lock screw with a wide flat head screwdriver and then turning the adjustment nut, IIRC clockwise raises the fuel level and ccw lowers it. When the right level is found, hold the nut with the wrench and tighten the lock screw snugly. Stop the engine and clean up the spilled fuel.

Note: It's a good idea to have a friend standing by to shut down the engine and/or engage a fire extinguisher if needed. You can do the test with the engine off, but you need to devise a method to supply an uninterrupted flow of fuel to the carburetor.

i. If you still haven't found the source of your problem. check the operation of your accelerator pump(s), located under the float bowls. A movement of the throttle linkage should provide a decent squirt of fuel into the throttle bores.

j. Chances are your carburetor is equipped with "vacuum secondaries" - a diaphragm opens the secondary throttle plates at a low vacuum. If this isn't working your car will run like it's got a 2-barrel carb.

k. Still running like crap? Replace the power valve. On older Holley's without blowout protection, a good backfire could wreck the power valve. There isn't really a good way to test it so replacing it is the best way to eliminate it. There will be a number stamped on the valve to indicate its size.

l. Didn't work? Time to remove the carb and tear it down for a good cleaning and "rebuild". Chances are the float bowls are full of crap and something is plugging a passage. Rebuild kits contain gaskets, pump and secondary diaphragms and other little pieces plus an instruction sheet.
 
#19 ·
Depends. What were the results of your tests? If you work the throttle linkage do you get a good squirt into the front bowl?

Chances are if you've put 3 carburetors on this and they've all done the same thing we should be looking elsewhere for the problem.
 
#21 · (Edited)
Don't think you ever answered the question is it a double pumper or vacuum secondaries?? If you did i messed it. If it is a double pumper it will bog like that if your back secondaries are not set right sometimes. In other words you may be dumping to much gas at one time, bogging it down some untill it burns off the overload of gas. You can change the squirters also in the back (and front) to a smaller size also if need be. Might help, possibly. The 600 is plenty enough carb. for it. I diffidently would not go bigger.
 
#23 · (Edited)
Reread the posts and seen where you said vacuum secondaries. Your saying your not getting enough fuel. Is your accelerator pump set correct? With the throttle wide open and pushing down on the pump lever you should have about 15-20 thousands between the lever and the adjusting screw ( has a spring around it.) Also What size squirter do you have in the carb? There's usually a number stamped on them. You can probably see it not even taking it out. Do you have any more to try a little bigger one? Do all the carbs have the same size? I've drilled out some before to shoot more gas in at the crack of the throttle but you want to be careful and not over do it all at once. You'll need some very small drill bits for that job. If you don't want to try drilling one out find out what size you have. I have a bunch of old holley parts lying around. I may have one and i'll send you one for nothing to try. Like bartl said if you've tried 3 different carbs and they all do the same you wouln't think it would be the carb.
 
#24 ·
One pet peeve that I really, really have is when people don't fill out their profiles. That being said...... where do you live?

The reason I ask is to find out what the ambient temperature is when you are experiencing the problem. Question #2 is whether you have a functioning choke.

Any engine, even a stock one that I assume doesn't have a stock air cleaner with a heated air duct and is being driven in cold weather will experience a bog upon sudden acceleration, especially if the engine is not up to operating temperature of > 180*. In addition, you say it has a "high performance" intake. If that intake doesn't have an exhaust crossover that will add to the problem as the manifold will be slow to warm up.

What's happening is that cold air is more dense and, likewise, requires a richer mixture than warmer air. Suddenly sucking in a bunch of cold air will cause a HUGE bog like you describe.
 
#26 ·
Is it possible guys that his vacuum advance is leaking? bad unit or line? I agree that there really shoulddn't be 3 bad carbs all in a row.
I'm not really a fan of holleys but had a used one rebuilt by an expert for my 302 in my '78 F150 (all stock) (600cfm) and it ran for well over 10 years w/o trouble or adjustments. I like the Autolite 4100s
 
#27 · (Edited)
---Doesn't sound like REBUILT carbs (3) if you have gas around the accelerator pump. Sounds like you need someone to rebuild a Holley that knows what there doing if so. I use to swear by holley's years ago. But started running Edelbrock's and seem to have right out of the box better performance and less maintenance. Sell the Holley's and get a EDL-1406. Then at least you know your starting with a good carb. I was also thinking about the vacumn line. Have you checked it. Maybe it's not pulling your advance around quick enough. Who knows. Good luck.