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Wiring is always such a pleasure.

2.5K views 11 replies 7 participants last post by  Woodchuck  
#1 ·
Hello group, I have recently installed a new painless performance wiring harness on my 1967 coupe 302/3 speed manual.

I was terrified to hook up the battery for the first time after the installation, as I am notorious for causing electrical fires in the miata community, another car I am quite passionate about.
pleased to see the headlights work, turn signals work, wipers work, blinkers work. smooth sailing so far.

however, upon trying to start the car, all I heard was a click coming from the solenoid/battery area, but no crank.
I figured maybe my battery was dead, after leaving it on the charger all night, my battery tender reads it full, with the correct 12.4v reading. I tried again, same issue, no crank.
keep in mind, this car started and drove perfectly prior to the installation of the harness. so the chances of the battery/solenoid/starter being bad are very slim, and the chances of me wiring something backwards seems more likely.

after a little research, my understanding is that there are two things can stop the solenoid from getting power, ignition switch & neutral safety switch. I am somewhat confident i wired up the ignition switch correctly, the diagram for it was very clear and was almost a little fun.

However, I had never heard of a neutral safety switch in my life, not sure what it does, didnt know manuals had them, and I did have to make some connections to it when installing this harness, I did not have very much confidence when making those connections, just trying my best to follow the confusing diagrams.
not sure what the correlation between the NSS and the backup lights are, but if this helps, the backup lights have never worked on this car during my 10 years of ownership.

I am starting to think, maybe I wired something wrong with the neutral safety switch, but I just dont know enough about it. ill try to post some pictures here of the solenoid, and the NSS connections, and please let me know if you see something fishy.

Thank you!

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#3 ·
test to see if you are getting power to the starter motor itself- could be a bad solenoid. Otherwise as Dan said- find the NSS wires and either connect them to the trans switch, or bypass them together if you have a hand shaker. And I'm assuming you're planning on fixing the bare wire splices and loose bare wires I see in the pics??
 
#9 ·
Grab your handy test light. Attach the alligator clip to the big lug on the rearward side of the starter solenoid (see photo) and stick the probe into the gap between the negative (ground) post and terminal. Turn the key to "start". If the light comes on but the starter doesn't crank, investigate the connection at the solenoid (based on the photo it desperately needs cleaning), cable to the starter motor, the starter motor itself and the ground path to the starter motor.

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Hi Woodchuck, today I took my dremel with a wire wheel, cleaned up all the nuts and eyelids, especially on the negative terminal of the solenoid.
I can confirm the solenoid itself, and the circled terminal are both nicely grounded.

after the cleaning, I did what you said, put my alligator clip on the circled terminal, and wedged the probe in the negative battery post, no crank, no light on test light.
I also tried the same thing but instead put the alligator clip on the "S" post. this lit up the test light during crank, this tells us the ignition switch is indeed supplying power to the "S" post on the solenoid.

if its not a ground problem, and not an ignition problem, this brings me back to believing the neutral safety switch is the issue at hand.
 
#4 ·
Here's a way you can test your solenoid to make sure it's not the issue: First - make sure your transmission is in NEUTRAL and the ignition is off. Remove the wire from the small lug on the front of solenoid (towards the battery). Take a screwdriver and put the flat end against the large lug on the left side of the solenoid as your looking at it from the engine bay (where the POSITIVE cable from the battery is hooked up). Touch the shaft of the screwdriver to the small lug you removed the wire from. This should cause the starter to spin without starting the car. If it doesn't, check your cables and connections.

From looking at your pictures, I would first remove and clean all the connections on the solenoid. The cable ends, lugs, and nuts are all pretty corroded/dirty from what I can see. Also, with the neutral cable off the battery to prevent sparking, I would remove the solenoid from the fender apron and clean the area behind it and where the bolts are to make sure there is a good ground connection.
 
#10 ·
Here's a way you can test your solenoid to make sure it's not the issue: First - make sure your transmission is in NEUTRAL and the ignition is off. Remove the wire from the small lug on the front of solenoid (towards the battery). Take a screwdriver and put the flat end against the large lug on the left side of the solenoid as your looking at it from the engine bay (where the POSITIVE cable from the battery is hooked up). Touch the shaft of the screwdriver to the small lug you removed the wire from. This should cause the starter to spin without starting the car. If it doesn't, check your cables and connections.

From looking at your pictures, I would first remove and clean all the connections on the solenoid. The cable ends, lugs, and nuts are all pretty corroded/dirty from what I can see. Also, with the neutral cable off the battery to prevent sparking, I would remove the solenoid from the fender apron and clean the area behind it and where the bolts are to make sure there is a good ground connection.
Hello, I went ahead and cleaned all my connections with a wire wheel on a dremel. I can say with confidence that all the solenoid connections are well grounded. I did as you said, and used a screwdriver to jump the positive terminal on the solenoid, to the "S" post on the solenoid. aside from a very small spark, there was no spinning, no cranking, nothing. that tells us, the ignition switch is not the issue.
In addition, i put the alligator clip from my testlight on the "S" post, wedged the test light probe between the negative battery terminal and the terminal clamp, turned the key to the crank position, and it did light up when in the crank position. more evidence that the ignition switch is working, and all signs point to neutral safety switch, some other wiring mistake on the solenoid, or even a bad battery.
 
#6 ·
Grab your handy test light. Attach the alligator clip to the big lug on the rearward side of the starter solenoid (see photo) and stick the probe into the gap between the negative (ground) post and terminal. Turn the key to "start". If the light comes on but the starter doesn't crank, investigate the connection at the solenoid (based on the photo it desperately needs cleaning), cable to the starter motor, the starter motor itself and the ground path to the starter motor.

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#8 ·
Before getting too deep, I would also test your battery. 12.4 volts is under 80% charge or 75% charge if AGM type. If an overnight charge only got you that far, you may have battery problems complicating the issues. I would verify. 12.0V is ±50% charge and iffy to start the engine.
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#12 ·
Before getting too deep, I would also test your battery. 12.4 volts is under 80% charge or 75% charge if AGM type. If an overnight charge only got you that far, you may have battery problems complicating the issues. I would verify. 12.0V is ±50% charge and iffy to start the engine.
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Don't forget the need to also compensate for electrolyte temperature....
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