[silverblueBP]

Kind of like that last 1-2 gallons of “stupid” gas in the bottom of the tank. Run the 7.5K. You should be good. When you grenade the motor and decide to spend $4K on a rotating assembly, then run the 8K.

Friends like this guy.........

 

[patrickstapler]

Who said I was anyone’s friend...>?

Pleased to meet you...

 

[Turnall]

Who said I was anyone’s friend...>?

Pleased to meet you...

Hmmmm...

Allen

 

[Turnall]

Got the shock towers ready for a 1 piece export brace.

Allen

 

[Turnall]

Also figured out why my welds are looking like sht. I'm out of gas...geez.

Allen

 

[Turnall]

You should get flow numbers on them before deciding on pistons, cam and carb. Also if you'll need to to get the heads milled down.

So after asking around, I found two engine builders that "used" to do flow checking. The first one I talked said he hasn't used his machine in quiet some time and actually ask me if I wanted to buy it. Very nice and listened to what I was wanting to do, just obviously didn't really want to flow the heads. The second I actually stopped by to see. He showed me his machine but him and his son were not very interested either. We talked for some time. Some good information and he told me about some races (drag) coming up and hoped I would attend.

I found a shop in Birmingham, Hurley Engine Service Company, that told me they would do it. I explained that I would be in Birmingham Friday morning if they could test the heads to see if I could get in and out that day. They tentatively said yes, but to be sure they want me to call back in the morning and talk to the guy that will be doing it (Chuck) to make sure he is going to be there. Roger that...

So maybe by the weekend, I'll have head flow numbers.

Btw, the Performance shop I stopped by and talked to did come out and look at the heads. He (an older gentleman) looked them over real good as he had told me that someone that doesn't know how to clean them up and port them correctly, can make them worse. After studying them and rubbing them and studying them some more he said, "Yep, that's how we would do them." :yoho:

Allen

 

[Turnall]

And another piece of the puzzle came in...

Allen

 

[silverblueBP]

When you take the head in, take the intake and header and have them flow with those attached too. You’ll see how the flow drops off.

 

[Turnall]

When you take the head in, take the intake and header and have them flow with those attached too. You’ll see how the flow drops off.

I don't have headers yet...:shrug:

Allen

 

[silverblueBP]

I don't have headers yet...:shrug:



Allen

No biggie.

 

[Turnall]

Had a fellow VMF'er stop by the office/warehouse/shop this evening. Good conversation, good questions and answers. Also some good suggestions.

By the way, that was a BIG smile on your face when we went for a ride in the GT. We'll do it again the next time you're in town!
@Israel

Enjoyed it Tommy!!

Allen

 

[Israel]

Had a fellow VMF'er stop by the office/warehouse/shop this evening. Good conversation, good questions and answers. Also some good suggestions.

By the way, that was a BIG smile on your face when we went for a ride in the GT. We'll do it again the next time you're in town!

@Israel

Enjoyed it Tommy!!

Allen

It’s been over 35 years since I was inside an actual running /driving first gen Mustang. Standing in my floorless 67 rotisserie shell doesn’t count.

Thanks for the treat Allen.

He does Great upholstery work. :wink:

 

[Turnall]

It’s been over 35 years since I was inside an actual running /driving first gen Mustang. Standing in my floorless 67 rotisserie shell doesn’t count.

Thanks for the treat Allen.

He does Great upholstery work. :wink:

Oh and I forgot to thank you for noticing I had dropped a few pounds. 26 since January 15th. I started the day after we got back from the Ocala NPD show. Basically just watching calories. Dropped 26 pounds so far and 1 pound from my goal.

Patrick and Mark may not even recognize me...:grin2:

Allen

 

[Turnall]

Took the heads to a machine shop in Birmingham. HESCO is the name of the company (they have been in business for over 50 years). They do everything from machine work, flow testing to engine and chassis dyno's. I was asked what I was trying to do with the engine, what intake am I using, what am I expecting out of the heads, etc.

The numbers came back good (to me) and I got verification from a trusted member that they are pretty good numbers. I won't disclose the numbers here. In talking with Chuck (at HESCO) he told me the exhaust flow is 65% of the intake and that optimally should be 70% (according to some big name I apparently was supposed to know). He mentioned a few other things that I needed to get checked. All the time making me aware that he was not trying not to step on anyone toes (genuinely nice guy).

I have been asked the cost. HESCO charged me for one hours labor and they only tested one cylinder. We had this agreement up front because of time restraints today, their workload and me being up out of town. That labor hour was $95.00. Not sure how long it would take to do all 8, but it was worth the money to me. The way these heads have been worked, they are all going to be very close, so I think I got the information needed for a cam now..

Allen

 

[Turnall]

"The Intake Closed point – when the valve seals on the seat – is the most important valve-timing event. This event governs both the engine’s rpm range and its effective compression ratio. Closing the intake valve later optimizes intake flow for high rpm and allows inertia to pack in its last gasp of air. The drawback to that is back-flow at low rpm. But closing the valve earlier shuts down rpm. Pick your operating range."

I'm reading this morning from Elgin Cams page (http://www.elgincams.com/campaper.html). I may have just learned more about cam timing than I ever thought possible. Excellent read and explanation of cam timing and it's effects on the general characteristics of an engine. Impressed.

The one line quoted above teaches the need to know your operating range as it makes it obvious, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your going to run an engine in the high rpm range, you're not going to be very streetable. I know this is basically a given, but now I know why.

Kudos to Mr. Elgin.

Allen

 

[Turnall]

Not vintage but me and the Mrs. sat under umbrellas for a little while this afternoon at Barber Motor Speedway in Birmingham...

Allen

 

[Turnall]

Put this car on the rotisserie this evening. I had a couple of spots on the floor pan to weld up. I can also weld the seams better this way.

I'm going to get the welding done and coat the rest of the floor and rear with raptor liner to "finish it out.

I also want to check with our local MAACO to see if I can take this car to them on the rotisserie and have them paint it. They're not but about a mile up the road from me.

Allen

 

[Turnall]

Since I won't be using rocker panel molding or the "vents", I decided to weld those holes up this afternoon. Got in a bit of a hurry when welding up the holes for the driver's vent and got it too hot. May have warped the metal a bit. Passenger side (4th picture) came out much better.

Also the driver's side (3rd picture) shows the elephant in the room that I haven't addressed. The rust around the fender skirt. There's is also a bit of rust where the gas tank sits.

Does the gas tank hole remain the same size when you install a fuel cell? I don't want to repair something I would just be cutting out anyway. Any insight would be appreciated!! :yoho:

Allen

 

[Israel]

All the fuel cells that I’ve seen are filled from the trunk.

 

[silverblueBP]

All the fuel cells that I’ve seen are filled from the trunk.

This