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Supercharged 347?

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#1 ·
I am planning a 347 build for my 68 and I am considering going with a supercharger. My daily commuter is a bonneville, and the small roots blower works great.

The build will have a stock 68 (302) vintage block, with forged internals from probe, scat, and the like. I have some of the last Windsor Jr Lite (aluminum) heads, which I know aren't the best available, but will be massaged greatly. I got them to match the Yella Terra Platinum shaft rockers I came across which is a backwards way of buying, but it happened.... Anyway, I am spending a small fortune for a primo build, and thought a blower 347 would have more cache than a naturally aspirated one.

My question is if there is a screw/roots type blower for a carbed 347, and if so, do any of you have personal experience with this setup?

Recommendations are appreciated. I know about the Paxton and other centri style blowers, but I like the way the roots style mount and work.
 
#2 ·
Weiand makes a great set of blowers your looking for. Also if you go the used route B&M use to make some too (they still may, but dont think so). "I heard" that to be careful going the used route because if you get one very old parts are hard to come by.

I dont have any experience with them, but I have always wanted to put one in my 68. It would be so sweet with a bird catcher stickin out of the hood......
 
#3 ·
My opinion on it, based solely on reading up on this, as I have yet to build a supercharged engine, is that an EFI engine/supercharger combination would allow for huge power and decent streetablity. The carbed setups I have seen are either low boost (aka the old paxton style) or more drag race oriented, like the roots style.

Computer control with efi allows for massive power and a streetable car.

That being said...blowers LOOK cool under ANY hood.

I think a blower on my EFI 347 would be awesome...right up until the torque twisted the unibody into a pretzel.
 
#4 ·
I am using a Vortech on my EFI 306. I am now building a new boss block 331/big bore 347. I just purchased my Victor Jr heads to go with my Scat forged rotating assembly. The last part of my build will be an anderson Motorsports B41 cam. I hope to have 550ish rwhp that is streetable. Go with EFI and take advantage of the tuning. I can't wait to get the new engine done and in there!!
 
#6 · (Edited)
I actually have an old 302 blower motor that PAW had as a kit in their catalog a long time ago. I stupidly sold the intake and blower with the side draft weber set up a ways back before ever putting it in the car(I don't know why). The new Weiand is a slightly upgraded version of this blower. It is still available through many sources. Super Charging 302 - How to Gain Bulging Power with PAW’s Blown 302 Kit | FordMustangCar.com This is a link to the kit I have. Someone did a write up on it. This would probably work pretty well on a stroker!
http://www.holley.com/data/types/pictures/174SBF_ZOOM.jpg
http://www.holley.com/types/Small Block Ford - 174 Series.asp
https://secure.pawengineparts.com/shoppingcart/ShowItem.cfm?itemid=8842&catid=
https://secure.pawengineparts.com/302_342_FordWEISUP.html
The above are some links to motor kit and blower by weiand.
 
#7 ·
I had actually been considering the Weiand 174. Then I started looking at the Kenne Bell, but they are all for EFI. I may be able to do the EFI also, but that's another nut I'd have to come up with. The thing with EFI is, I would want to go with an Edelbrock or such style, as I personally find the stock style units unattractive. My preference would be one that looks like a carb. That said, it just keeps piling up... But hey, I DID say I wanted to build something SPECIAL! Some of this stuff makes my head spin! I like the old cars for their simplicity, but here I go getting into more modern (complicated) stuff.

I have a top quality body man that build really high end cars doing that part of the build, and an Engine shop that build NHRA engines to do the work on that part. I just need to decide BEFORE I give him the go, 'cause I need to get it right the 1st time. Guess I need to run this by him to see what he thinks... and double check my finances. My convertible better sell when done, or I'm screwed!

The roots style is great on my commuter, and has never given me any trouble in a lot of enthusiastic driving. Not a ton of boost, but as soon as you hit it, it goes :)

I want this Mustang to be the bad a$$ without being a pain to drive.
 
#8 ·
#9 ·
ZRAY... Oh SURE, now you want to REALLY make it complicated!!!

No seriously, those things are very cool looking, but I doubt they would fit under a hood, even with a large scoop on it. I have a 67 shelby style, and my body guy could easily raise it, but DETAILS are EVERYTHING! Things have to look right with me. If I wasn't so fussy, I could have been driving my fastback for the last 6 years instead of looking at pictures of it.

It looks like I can get a blower and efi for 5-6K... damn me! I just can't leave things alone!!!

Thanks for the tips and links guys. Anyone actually have a 174 on their stang? Would you do it again?

Maybe I should build it with higher compression and use the fancy weber style efi for WOW factor???

So many ideas, so little time and/or money!!!
 
#11 ·
First, if you go KB, you are limited to either the stock lower intake or the GT40 lower intake, so forget about the Edlebrock look. The KB does NOT use the upper intake at all, the SC bolts directly to one of the lower intakes mentioned above.

I am currently going the same path that you are, once I'm done working on my pool. I have a 67 vert and a 95 vert. I wanted to go 347 initially, but decided to go 331 when my research brought up issues like the oil rings being located up by the piston pin and the longer stroke being a little less reliable than the 331. So, I decided to go the 331 route.

I also wanted to go with the KB as they are known for their streetable HP gains down low (not to mention a unique whine they make, that was like a siren's song to my ears). With that decided, I started pricing the parts and pieces...and then came across a 95 vert with ALL of what I wanted already on it! Good price so I bought it. Bad news is that it supposedly has never run and it's been wrenched on without being reassembled completely, and the advertised KB 2.1 turned into a KB 1.5, and now I've got a KB 2.2 for it. For me part of the adventure is chasing parts, and I've been chasing them all over the US!

When I finally get to Dirty Harry, my 67 this January, ironically the first step will be to get Sophia my 95 up running to verify that it all works, and then the body work on Dirty Harry and finally the to swap everything but the body over to the 67, EFI and ALL (maybe even ABS brakes)!
 
#14 ·
If you're looking for WOW factor more than anything, an EFI system that looks like the old weber systems would be my personal choice.

Those things are works of art, and look so good in a vintage mustang.

Built with the right cam and heads on a stroker, you could get 400 HP or so and be streetable.

With EFI and boost the sky is the limit on power, but I don't think you'll be able to make it look like a work of art. It's going to look (at best) like a good work of engineering.

Phil
 
#15 ·
I think the ultimate EFI boost combo would be using the inglese type EFI but instead of having the trumpets on the top have a inlet tube that runs the leangth of the manifold and feeds the individual throttle bodies. Of course that tube would be connected to a blower or turbo setup. You would have stellar looks and performance to boot!

The question comes down to fabrication skills. If I build another car I really think I would give this idea a spin. The biggest problem is it would not be cheap. $5000 for the intake, $3000 for a blower, $2000 for misc items like fuel system, tubing, fittings .......