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#1 ·
Hey Y’All!

Working on a 71 Mach 1 with a 351C, lifted cam, headers, and dual exhaust. I am searching for a muffler that is for lack of a better term, provides a very deep rumble, does VMF nation have any recommendations on what I should be in the market for?

thanks in advance!
 
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I'll preface by saying I am no expert. You will likely get as many different answers as you do responses as this is a very subjective question. My experience with my car has been pipe diameter will likely make as much difference in sound than a muffler will. I had 2" duals on my car with turbo mufflers (generic brand from a kit). Car sounded decent but not deep rumble like you describe. The tailpipes in that kit never fit properly and I finally ditched the whole 2" system (partially because I couldn't get it apart to try different mufflers or tails since I use standard style exhaust clamps that crush the pipes) and went to 2.25" with generic turbo mufflers (another kit). After installing that kit it was definitely louder and deeper (fit correctly as well) but since it had the same type of muffler it sounded very similar. My wife wanted it to be a little louder, so I got a pair of welded thrush mufflers and that combination is louder and deeper still. I used band clamps on the new system so I would be able to disassemble it since I was going to do a 5 speed swap at some point in the not so distant future. This allowed the mufflers to be changed easily. You have more cubes and cam than my stock 289 so you are ahead there, but I would recommend going as big of a diameter of pipe as you can. I like the welded type mufflers for sound...You will see a lot say they drone...they do...so if that is going to bother you, you might want to rethink this some. I know magnaflow makes some nice mufflers that have great sound...You will also probably see some discussion of X pipe vs H pipe. I have a pretty standard H pipe setup, but most seem to think the X is better for sound/performance. My 2 cents...Hope this helps in the process.

Glen
 
#6 ·
I have a 2.5" exhaust with no H or X pipe and some generic mufflers that came with the Summit exhaust kit I bought. At first I was a little shocked by how loud they are, but other folks around me say they sound fine. I have become used to them, but they do have a loud bark when I fire it up in the morning. It doesn't have the mind numbing drone that I've noticed, especially my 1200+ mile road trip I took in February.
 
#7 ·
Dakota, what exhaust do you have now ? I'd be looking at 2 &1/2 minumum, for tail pipes, 3 inch is better. The larger diameter will lower the tone, as Glenn explained. Hooker Aerochambers are supposed to have a deep sound, but exhaust is very subjective. One mans pleasure is anothers poison. You can always add aside branch resonators if you have drone. LSG
 
#8 ·
I like turbo style mufflers. My go to turbo muffler is Summit’s own house brand. Well made and in the USA to boot. Very reasonably priced and well made. They have a nice growl when you get on it but won’t piss your neighbors off otherwise

 
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these are what I use. they are not quiet. good sound
this turns exhaust into a one day project.
you can weld stainless to mild steel. I use a flux core welder. it proably works with regular mig. there are gassless flux core stainless welding wires but the smoke seems extra toxic and needs heavy ventilation so I just use standard flux core wire for exhaust. there are stainless bend kits for about double of the aluminized.
 
#11 ·
There are four "common" designs for mufflers. OEM, baffled exhausts are the quietest, but they are also the most restrictive. The exhaust really has to twist around some S-curves and flow through some openings before it escapes.

Turbo mufflers are basically a high-performance adaptation, offering a nice low rumble but without the harsh snarl of glasspacks, and with less restriction than OEM type. Some of the 'good ones' can flow almost as well as a straight pipe, surprisingly.

Glasspack mufflers are a perforated tube wrapped in stainless wool or fiberglass mat (hence the term glass pack), contained in a small shell. They do quiet the exhaust somewhat, but tend to drone loudly at highway speeds. They have a unique and savage exhaust note, along with a signature 'cackle' on decel. All glasspacks will get a bit louder with age, because carbon and other byproducts cake up the matting eventually. They flow very well.

Chambered exhausts are one of the most popular types now, and entered the market by force back in the 80s with Flowmaster. There's no padding, no curves, just some angled plates inside that attempt to attenuate some of the sound. They have a dull, thudding note much like firecrackers in a sewer pipe. I freely admit, I am prejudiced against chambered mufflers, but they are pretty much the mating call of the millennial as near as I can tell. What can I say? I'm a dinosaur!

There are many variations on these basic designs. For example, Magnaflow's straight through mufflers look very much like turbo mufflers (and are sometimes mistakenly called the same) but inside the wide oval case is a straight through perforated pipe at an angle. It's basically a big glasspack muffler with a lot more padding. They are actually one of my favorites, with enough sound attenuation to keep your neighbors from being mad, while still offering some attitude.

The diameter of the pipes does tend to offer a slightly lower note when they're bigger, but a lot of that will have to do with your engine's compression, headers, and your cam, too. A small block engine can sound very low and menacing, even through 2 1/2" exhaust.

Exhaust has a lot to do with tuning. For the old-school 'burble', running straight pipes with no crossover will change the tone quite a bit, but at the expense of maybe 1-2% of your total horsepower, compared to an H or X pipe. X pipe has a smoother sound; more 'indy car' or 'Ferarri' like because it shares pulses so well. An H-pipe is something in between the two. Functionally, an H or X pipe usually offer exactly the same power difference over true dual exhaust, and it's not always significant, though the sound change almost always is.

Bigger mufflers are always quieter than smaller, even when it's glasspacks. My dad had an early 70s Cadillac with the 500 that had very long (24"?) glasspack mufflers on it. It was nice and quiet, unless you were on it. The same holds true of all the other designs as well.

I suggest you get on Youtube and look up your engine along with different types of exhaust. Listen to multiples of each, and you'll get a good idea of what they really sound like.
 
#14 ·
I went with 2.5" Walker Dynomax Super Turbos # 17733 for my '66 convertible. I have yet to install them, but they don't neck down inside the muffler as some others do. I like the sound (sound bites on the manufacturer's website). They seem like they won't be too loud (important for a convertible). I just wish they were stainless.

I don't like the chambered Flowmasters (drone & loud) on my '65. The 5.3L Chevy in my Wrangler was way too loud with two into one 3" MagnaFlow 13269 perforated tube muffler. I swapped it for a Walker Exhaust 17809 SoundFX Universal Muffler and it toned it down a bit.
 
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#18 ·
A sound bite from what mine is now on the GTFB.
  • Doug Thorley Tri Y
  • H pipe
  • Flowmaster HP 2 18" 2.25"dia
  • Orig GT tips
 
#20 ·
Deep and loud was 2 and ¼ inch exhaust with an H pipe and Flowmaster 40s with turn downs in front of the axle.
Not as deep, but louder and a nice pop was 2 inch with no H and glass packs and tail pipes.
Not as deep, not as loud, but a nice combination is 2 and ¼ with an H into the 40s with 2 and ½ (only size they came in) mandrel-bent tails and turndowns at the valance.
I'm thinking about swapping in glass packs again.
 
#21 ·
Passthrough nailed it - way too subjective. It's kind of like asking what the best flavor of icecream is .....

I have long tubes - H-Pipe into Flowmaster Series 10 race mufflers, and then dumps. I love it, but it's not for everyone.

Get yourself to a really BIG Mustang car show this summer and sit your self at the entree point. Listen and listen and listen. Make notes to those you like and then spend the day walking through and asking about their set ups. That's my advise for you!
 
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Or which carburetor to go with? haha

To the OP, I'd also look for videos on YouTube that have different sounding mufflers on them with similar built engines to see which one you think you like best. I personally don't mind the sound of the Flowmaster 40 series mufflers but just about everyone that has them complain about the drone they produce. The Super 44's I believe were their answer to that? They also have the 50 series as well, which isn't quite as loud. I think you'll get hundreds of different answers on here, I'd look in person at local car shows if possible, and if not then I'd check out videos of mufflers on YouTube and see what sounds the best to you.
 
#22 ·
If you're going to run dumps in front of the rear axle, the Hooker Aerochamber is a good muffler. It keeps the interior livable and you can actually carry on a conversation, unlike with Flowmasters. A friend did this switch and it totally changed the car.

I ran a full 2 1/2" system out to the rear valance with Flowmaster original 40 series 2 chamber on a 71 sportsroof with a 351c and 4 speed. I didn't find it objectionable, but I was also in my late 20s. Today, my muffler of choice is the Dynomax Super Turbo. All the flow without the drone or excessive noise.
 
#23 ·
If it is loud, have the hp to back it up, or you're just a poser.

My SIL bought a turbo muff with an AZ brand name because it was local and he wanted it that day. Surprisingly, it sounded great.
 
#25 ·
Another vote for Dynomax Super Turbos - they are the deepest nicest rumble I've heard, especially in comparison to zippier-sounding modern aftermarket exhausts (like Borla exhausts on new Mustangs). Minimal droning only in one small rpm spot, otherwise they stay nice and clear. Not deafening either.
 
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#26 ·
Hi
“,,,,,,I am searching for a muffler that is for lack of a better term, provides a very deep rumble,…..”
both the MagnaFlow and Borla mufflers are top quality products which give a deep sound without annoying drone.
Both are stainless steel and can be had in 2.5”size.

The differences ?

The MagnaFlow is not annoyingly loud.

The Borla Is so loud that I had to change my usual country road route because my neighbors milk cows were so disturbed that their milk production had fell off o considerably when I drove the road adjacent to their pasture.

Straight thru & Scary loud.

Z
 
#27 ·
I know that Flowmasters have a bad rap among many of the members here. I have the Delta 50 series and I love them. X pipe. 2.5” exhaust. The only time the drone is a problem is around 70 miles an hour (2000 rpm) when I’m going up a decent grade. Even then it’s not too bad. I have Dynamat insulation. No problems with conversation in the car. Get many positive comments on the sound.

Allen