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Thoughts on restoring a Mustang

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#1 ·
Well, with the restoration basically complete after just under 5 years (which is what I predicted), here are some random thoughts on the process.

Costs: Outside of paint, the cost to restore Midlife and repair rust damage and replace worn parts came out to only $7914.17, exclusive of paint and consumables. Pro-rated over 60 months, that was only $130/month...quite achievable for the hobbyist.

Time: I basically only worked on the car weekends, holidays, and vacations. I don't know how folks can restore a car in 4-6 months, unless it is in great shape, they work 60 hours a week on it, and get a lot of assistance (painting already lined up, etc.).

What I enjoyed most: the rust repairs! I found I had great skill in cutting out bad rust, cutting patch panels, and welding them in and grinding the welds down so that one could not tell there were patches. This was a big surprise to me, as I had never done this before, and just learned to weld prior to starting the restoration.

What I enjoyed the least: Painting. I'm a lousy painter, period. Whether a rattle can, spray paint, or finding a decent painter, everything turned sour. I can count on one hand the number of parts that I painted that didn't have to strip and re-paint. Air cleaner lids are the worst: my first one I painted 4 times; the second now three times.

Burn-out: Yes, you can easily burn-out working on these cars. Once during extensive trunk work, I walked away from the car for a couple of weeks. Re-assembly was quickened with burn-out, as I just wanted it back together and on the road. Forget about refurbishing fasteners that can't be seen: let's get with the program!

Injuries: Several. Despite using masks, full face shields and safety glasses, I had to go to the hospital twice for grinding debris in my eyes. At least I got a tetanus shot during the first trip when tetanus boosters were in short supply and they were not available upon request. I managed two cases of tendonitis in the elbows, due to grinding paint off with die grinders that were out of balance.

Initial Fire-Up: very disappointing, actually. The car ran lousy, the carb had a major backfire and a plastic part fell down, burning up and caused moderate damage to the carb. It took 5 weeks before the car was truly back in tune, partly due to a harmonic balancer that was not re-assembled correctly by a vendor.

Current Feelings: Sorta glad its over, but not really wanting to take the car out on jaunts just yet. I still have to get it aligned, and the car is temperamental, to say the least. I figure another six months before I would feel comfortable taking it out on a long road trip, mainly because it is too hot to work on the car here in FL. Summer time is not the time to be working on cars in the South. I wanted to make it a good daily driver, but after 5 years of near concours restoration, it'll probably be a garage queen. It simply is worth too much money to bear parking lot dings and road rash.

Best Tip from VMF: Bag and tag, then place into plastic tubs. I put nearly everything in plastic baggies, using 3x5 index cards to mark what the part was. I only had two parts that I couldn't find: a screw for the glove box wire and the screw for the grounding wire that goes to the firewall. I ended up listing all the parts in a notebook to make it easier to find what tub the part was in.

Do It Again? Well, not for a couple more years. This restoration took a fair amount of effort, time, and energy, but I did learn a tremendous amount. Would I tackle another Mustang? I dunno...

Pro's: Learned a bunch about hydraulics, welding, mechanical stuff, design philosophy of Ford, etc. All of this is worthwhile for working on stuff around the house. Learned what my limitations are, and what I am good at.

Con's: Restoring fasteners is not fun but tedious at best. The final product is not as much fun as the work getting there; in other words, the journey is more fun that the destination. What to do on the weekends now that I don't have to work on the car anymore (I really don't want to go back to cutting the grass every weekend).

Final bit of advice: If I can do a car restoration with only a modicum of mechanical abilities, so can you! Good luck!
 
#2 ·
Excellent insights. I really want to say how much I admire your approach to this Mid. You went about it the right way from start to finish with full realization going in of what effort this would take. You hit a lot of bumps along the way, but managed to stay focused. Personally, I couldn't do it.

I couldn't go 5 years without driving my car.

SO, I've gone the other route, refurbishing or replacing (not really "restoring") one thing at a time. The problem with my way? In the deep dark of night, when no one's around I start thinking about where my car is going...and I know that SOMEDAY it's all going to need to come apart again and be restored properly. So, in a way, 50% of the money and time I spend is "wasted", because it will have to be redone in the future. Your way is, without a doubt, the best way.

That being said...at least I'm having a lot of fun along the way.

On your financial commentary, how much money did you save by not having midlife on the road for 5 years? Did you keep the insurance on it for example? Save a little gasoline along the way? Did you keep plates on it? Seems like there should be several hundred dollars in savings there. I think you should balance out your expenses with the money saved from the other side.

Phil
 
#3 ·
Good info for others to read and consider in their future trials and tribulations. I agree on the part of not doing another. We decided after the blue one was done that we don't want to do another. The red one Linda bought me for my birthday is a very nice restored driver. Needs dash restoration is all.

I got to thinking the other day and figured out I have always been restoring cars/trucks in one way or another. Now, it is time to stop buying and selling and enjoy them. Still need A/C in both and we will be set.

Most that I talk to after the restoration process feel it is time to park it and not take chances. I am the same way with the blue one sooooo we have the red one. Do what you are comfortable with and have fun. Time to relax and enjoy.
 
#5 ·
Money savings: Insurance was dropped to only comprehensive ($179 down to $50 or so for 5 years). Gas money wasn't really saved, as I had to drive another vehicle anyway.

I just don't think one can "save" money by restoring a car! *G*

And Kid_Fastback: you want me to take my sheep out of commission?
 
#6 ·
Darn good summary of your journey! Lucky for me I agree with you, I enjoy the trip more than the arrival. In my case it's 15 years!

My biggest regret not doing the methodical labeling, bagging, notebook etc. Spent a lot of time searching for parts, wondering what some are or where they go and lost a few!

Paint is my big dilema. Don't want a car I'm afraid to drive, want a good 5 footer, can't do a lot of block sanding with bad arthritis etc. As I procrastinate with this dilema I drive my '68 with factory primer on one NOS front fender, quarter and various repaired areas!

Would I do it again? No, my '70 Torino vert is patiently waiting in the wing!
 
#7 ·
Good summary. I've restored 3 cars (ground up) and this is the 4th. It's a great feeling to be done. A good sense of accomplishment. And, when you are as thorough as you have been (and I have done), when you are done, you know you are DONE!

Looking back on my last three restorations, my only regret is taking them back to completely original and keeping them stock. For instance, in '88 I finished a frame-off resto of a '58 GMC pickup. When I was done, I had a brand new pickup, with 30 year old technology. It rode like a covered wagon, steering sucked, and had lousy brakes, the seat was a springboard (bouncy, bouncy, bouncy), and it was not pleasurable to drive.

So, with this '67, I'm upgrading the suspension, brakes, seats, adding A/C, and putting in a modern sound system. Probably the ignition system too to get rid of high maintenance points.

To me, at least at this point, for an average Joe Mustang, the creature comforts are worth more than a to-factory restoration.

Todd
 
#8 ·
Nice story. My project is still in progress. I'm hoping mine will be ready to start the engine this summer, probably can't afford paint until next year.

I basically have about 1.5 years so far. Being a software guy (a professional nerd), most of the car stuff that I've done has been 'firsts':

- first mustang purchase and first time buying a car that I did not get to test drive first

- trailing the car home on the u-haul dolly

- first time buying two more cars for parts to use / sell off

- first time trading for another mustang (non-running), got it running and sold it for a profit.

- using a hoist and removing an engine from a car (many times now)

- rebuilding rear drum and front disc brakes

- installing an engine, first with wrong motor mounts.

(the list goes on)
 
#9 ·
For me being done is anti climactic! My first was my '46 Ford. Customized, modified mechanically and appearance from the start, it was done when totalled by a guy who rear ended it at a stoplight! Second was my '56 Sunliner (vert). I smashed it up, rebuilt it put in a full race 312, stick O.D. etc. it was done when I blew the engine! Third, a frame off '37 Ford resto. Done when we needed money for family and sold it. Never regretted not being done, for 50 years enjoyed the journeys!
 
#11 ·
As I'm winding down my own 2.5 year process I'd have to say my thoughts are similar with the exception of the paint. I can paint and that is a HUGE relief and blessing. One of the things I HATE the most is redoing resto work due to inferior or incorrect parts. Brand new fasteners should not rust solid brown sitting inside a shop. I had to pull my complete suspsension and redo the entire thing due solely to corrosion on new parts that had never seen the road.

I still have a few weeks of reassembly and then more weeks of debugging but all in all it has been a enjoyable process. Most enjoyable for me was the parts search. Since I'm on a MAJOR budget, everthing I sourced had to be a bargain. Not an easy task when building a 427 Shelby clone. But each piece was sourced one by one with a story for each part. :)

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#12 ·
I don't know how folks can restore a car in 4-6 months, unless it is in great shape, they work 60 hours a week on it ...
I bought my '66 in January of '98 as a $500 shell. It made it's debute on the streets that June and became my daily driver. The biggest problem to a 6 month rebuild is that burnout comes on 3 times as hard when it happens. During that 6 months, there was probably 10 nights and one weekend that weren't spent on the car.

Every time I finish one, I welcome the break from it, but then start looking towards the next project. You have to take the break and just enjoy the car for a while, though.

You'll likely develop a trust in the car, very quickly. I doubt it will take 6 months.
 
#13 ·
Johnpro: I could easily trust the car after 3-4 extensive weekends, if I wanted to. But, I can only drive the car prior to 9AM, as it gets too hot here to drive without A/C in the car. That's not enough seat time to really get to know the car. Besides, what's the hurry?

One other thing I forgot to mention in the original post is that I was amazed that the car worked as well as it did right off the bat! I figured the tranny would freeze up, the brakes wouldn't work, the cooling system would plug up, I would have to spend 2 weeks trouble-shooting electrical gremlins, etc. With the exception of an ill-fitting glove box door which didn't trip the light switch, everything worked correctly. I am truly amazed that I was able to take everything apart, store it for 5 years, put it back together, and still have everything work!

Geez, I remember when I was 10 or so, and took apart a wristwatch; man...pieces went everywhere and there was no way I was able to put it back together again. That's what I was expecting with this car! Tee Hee!
 
#14 ·
Midlife said:
Money savings: Insurance was dropped to only comprehensive ($179 down to $50 or so for 5 years). Gas money wasn't really saved, as I had to drive another vehicle anyway.

I just don't think one can "save" money by restoring a car! *G*
Now, add up the "incidental costs", subtract savings, and add that amount to the "restoration cost listed above.... (Incidentals: Garage, welder, tools, plastic tubs, baggies, 11 extra doors, continually buying new cans of spraypaint, depression-induced icecream runs, extra Yukon Jack)

Yep, I thought so. You paid too much. ;)

Seriously though Randy - Although we all like to give you a hard time, your restoration journey is a great story, and should inspire those who are unsure of their goals, skills or abilities. Now lets see some MCA gold! ;)

Good job Midlife!
 
#15 ·
Excellent post.

Please, please, please don't get the mindset of "too nice to drive". Drive it. It will get nicked and dinged but you'll have fun the whole time. You will find that the first ding is very liberating because after that the car isn't perfect any more.

At the end of the day you have to determine if YOU own the car or the CAR owns you. If the car dictates to you when and where you drive it then you don't own the car any more - it owns you and you might as well get rid of it.
 
#16 ·
dustyrelics said:
I had to pull my complete suspsension and redo the entire thing due solely to corrosion on new parts that had never seen the road.
I had the exact same problem and I know there will be more!!!

Mid- Very simialr thoughts as I enter year three on mine. Lot's of work, I have learned a ton, and impressed myself along the way.

I can't wait to get a welder but I just don't have the space for it now, maybe on car two down the road. I keep most of my tools on the walls of my one car garage and then bring stuff in from the shed in back. The shed was a life saver though, at least the car is inside now and peg board does wonders for storing most of my tools with a small tool cabinet and drawers I am fine.
 
#17 ·
68RCodeConv said:
Excellent post.

Please, please, please don't get the mindset of "too nice to drive". Drive it. It will get nicked and dinged but you'll have fun the whole time. You will find that the first ding is very liberating because after that the car isn't perfect any more.

At the end of the day you have to determine if YOU own the car or the CAR owns you. If the car dictates to you when and where you drive it then you don't own the car any more - it owns you and you might as well get rid of it.
+0.5

Took me 4.5 years to get it on the road, then another two years before the the body and paint was done (by two very good shops in/near Austin). I drive mine lots of places...it is just so much FUN.

On the other hand, I also enjoy my car as a work of art. It's a pleasure just to go out in the garage and look at it! I'm sure Midlife is the same. You CAN enjoy it while driving it very little.

Still have a lot to do on it. I will likely never get it completely done to my satisfaction. But at present I'm kinda burned out on putting the parts on I already have. So I enjoy driving and admiring the beauty.

Congratulations on Midlife!
 
#18 ·
If nothing else you've given hope to another complete novice. I see all these names of parts, some of which I've heard of and some I haven't, and most of which I don't know what they do or how they work, and try to comprehend how I can take it all apart and put it back together again. Looks like it's possible after all.
 
#19 ·
Thank for the words of wisdom. Mine is going on year 7. We people like you finish, it encourages me to get back to work. I could be going faster is I had only one Mustang. My driver needs work and the repairs take time away form the restoration.
 
#20 ·
I respect and admire the effort it takes to bring a really hard shape car back to concours condition. When I bought mine it was just an old daily driver. There wasn't much in the way of rust or major mechanical issues to address. Just years of crud, a cheap, flat $299 silver paint job, black carpets turned brown over the years and stitching in the seats that had begun to rot. Your post was rally interesting and I agree with most of it but it did leave me a little sad for you. My greatest joy is driving my Mustang. That was the objective when I bought it and it still is. Your meticulous restoration has put you in a position of not really wanting to expose the car to the rigors of the open road and I understand that. But, that's why the underside of my car will never be detailed. It's too much of a discouragement to putting miles on the car and that's the most fun for me.
 
#21 ·
Thanks for your candid insights. I agree w/previous posters--IT'S DRIVE TIME! My biggest fear is car being totaled in an accident. I'm going to get my swerve on. I'll deal w/the door dings, curb rash and peeling paint.
 
#22 ·
Bob, which shops did you use in the Austin area?
 
#23 ·
shbrandt said:
Bob, which shops did you use in the Austin area?
Drippin' Paint just west of Dripping Springs did the tough work of replacing the badly rusted floor pans, inner/outer rocker panels, front torque boxes, rear wheel housings, rear quarters. They did a great job at a great price. They also put on a pair of Golden West subframe connectors for me. They finished it in March, 2005. Kenny was the lead guy. Sorry to say, Kenny died of lung cancer about a year ago. I know everyone misses him.

Don Twomey Auto Works on South Congress did all the body prep and paint. It took 4 months because they work cars like ours in between regular fender bender work. I got the car back in May, 2006. Don just likes doing old cars, so he usually has something interesting in progress if you drop by. He was open most Saturday mornings for people like us to come in. Here's Sharyn and Stangert the day we picked it up.
http://home.earthlink.net/~bob_perkins/stangert/SharynAndMustangSmall.jpg
 
#24 ·
I'm looking for a good source to install and rack and pinion steering system. Would like to find someone that has done it before.
 
#25 ·
Hey Mid - great summary/Lessons learned.

One question - I think I am at your beginning skill level for welding, so...........

Did you learn by trial and error, and what kind of welder did you get that is simple to operate?

Thanks,
Beri
 
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#26 ·
So when are we gonna see pics?!

Restoration is not for the meek, it's a long involved process requiring many skills. Kudos to you for learning the welding part, I'm still a little "MIG-shy", but hope to pick that up someday. Going to tackle complete bodywork and paint on a '67 convertible I have in the garage right now. Hopefully that will turn out nice so I can do my wife's '67 convertible that I bought recently! :)