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Rebuilding Jane's engine - mini (but detailed) build thread

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#1 ·
Hello all,

Operation "Jane Heart Replacement" has begun! As some may recall, back in August I had kind of a huge fiasco in which I somewhat killed Jane's engine and transplanted in a new engine in 18 hours flat. I then proceeded to let that engine sit for 4 months while I went haring off to Texas. Now I'm back in NC and taking another stab at putting Jane's first engine back together!

The new engine (which was a 6-bolt that fit less than optimally with the rest of my 5-bolt accessories) has been removed and was sold within 20 minutes. The money from that is now funding the rebuild of the old 5-bolt engine. It should be noted that this isn't Jane's original engine (clearly, if it's a '64 engine in a '66 car) BUT it does have sentimental value (having carted my butt around the entirety of the US) and it bolts right up to all of my parts quite well. It's lighter too, which is nice.

Anyways! This is the build thread on this engine. Here is what was wrong with it upon teardown:
1) Oil pump failing/failed (what caused the engine to be pulled in the first place)
2) Heads trashed - valve seats pounded out, valve guides torn up, exhaust valves more or less ruined, all kinds of valvetrain wear
3) Cylinder sleeve improperly installed; had come loose and was floating around in cylinder #2
4) Cam worn - looks to have a lot more miles on it than the engine itself did. Suspect cam pulled from another car. Alternatively, someone wasn't running the right oil, causing premature wear. Still functional and not at all wiped, but just worn.
5) Timing set nearly nonfunctional - so much slack in it that I could pull the chain off the sprocket while still on the car
6) Main bearings worn through to copper - suspected cause was oil pump causing starvation; however, bearings also appeared either very old or original. Crank was original and had never been polished/turned/cared for.
7) Mismatched pistons - different brands (yep)

That about covers it! In short, this engine should not have been anywhere near as reliable as it was. I put 20,000 miles on it since April of last year. Never let me down though it has been unhappy (low on power) for 6000 miles or so.

Oh yeah, and I sent my distributor out to Dan at G/N to be rebuilt. He called me to ask if the distributor had been pulled from a running car. When I told him yes, all he had to say was, "WOW!" Yes, it was that bad. :pirate:

So! The engine got sent off to the machine shop. While there, the shop hot tanked everything and then:
1) Resleeved cylinder #2
2) Finish honed the cylinders (despite the fact that the engine was trashed, it only had about 40,000 miles on the current bore (4.040") and the bores were apparently so close to perfect that they didn't even need honing)
3) Rebuilt heads with iron valve guides, new exhaust valves, hardened valve seats; resurfaced
4) Installed new cam bearings
5) Turned the crank 0.010" under and polished
6) Assembled rods/pistons (I got a nice set of Speed Pro +8cc hypereutectics)

Now the engine's back in my possession and ready for assembly (also known as "busy work"). Here's what the block looks like:
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Yep, that's pink. Not sure how that one happened...

And here's the heads:
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Beautiful!

The first step in assembling the bottom end was to gap the rings. According to Speed Pro's specs, the top ring (chromoly / iron) needs a gap of 0.016" to 0.018" (Ford spec is 0.010" to 0.020"). So I put those at more or less 0.017".
[View of the chromoly/iron layers in the top ring]
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This was done by putting each ring into a cylinder and pushing it down to a depth of 1-1.5" in the bore, then measuring the gap with a gap gauge. I used one of the old pistons to push the ring down evenly and squarely. I used the same cylinder to gap all of the rings for consistency's sake, though I suppose if I was being really super careful about it I should have matched each ring to its own bore.
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I found that all of the top rings were within gap spec straight out of the box. The second rings (iron with a dot facing upwards) were all gapped too small. I remedied this by evenly filing one end of the ring against a flat file, stopping to recheck the gap pretty frequently.
[View of the dot indicating "up" on the second ring]
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After I gapped the rings, I installed them on the pistons. I started with the bottom oiling rings, which is a stack of three rings (thin ring, "crimped" ring in the middle, thin ring), then did the middle ring (dot up to top of piston), then the top ring. I made sure that the gaps on all of the rings were clocked such that none of them lined up. Having the gaps lined up will score the cylinder and result in uneven cylinder pressure, apparently.
[Oiling rings on]
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[Second ring on]
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[Top ring on]
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Some people only use ring extenders to install rings. I just spiraled mine on because it's an acceptable technique according to "How to build a small block Ford". And honestly, this isn't a crazy build that requires perfect precision by any means. The rings went on just fine.

After installing all of the rings on all of the pistons, I moved on to installing the crankshaft. First, I inserted all of the bearings into the block and main caps dry, ensuring that they were correctly aligned and installed with the tabs in the right location. I also installed the rear main seal - note that it's offset in the block to help prevent leaks.
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I then smeared a ton of assembly lube on the surfaces of the bearings that contact the crank (as well as the sides of the thrust bearing) as well as the crank itself. Plopped in the crank (carefully).
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After the crank was seated and all surfaces were definitely covered in assembly lube, I installed the main caps. I just tightened them to "snug-ish" to start out with to properly seat the caps, then torqued to spec (~65 ft/lbs) starting from the middle cap and working my way outwards. I then rechecked torque on all of the caps. Keep an eye on the rear main cap as you have to make sure that the offset rear main seal doesn't get squashed or bent or do anything crazy.
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The next step was piston installation - a harrowing process. To start with, each piston was dipped in a bucket of motor oil.
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I'll admit it fully - Chas did this entire next part. He has a ring compressor that has been handed down through his family for a couple of generations (read: old as dirt) and he prefers to be the one installing pistons if he's using it. I'm cool with that. So we compressed the piston rings, set the piston + compressor on the head, ensured the compressor was square and tight on the bore, and then used the wooden end of a hammer to carefully tap the pistons down into the bore.
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While Chas did the tapping, I made sure that the rod ends were going into the correct place straddling the crank. If you don't watch it, the studs have a nasty tendency of just poking the crank and stopping butted up to it, which you don't want regardless of if you have something protecting them or not. Do not let the crank get scratched or marred in any way!

It should be noted here that usually, you install the rod bearings before installing the piston in the block. However, we wanted to avoid issues with the bearings jumping out of their pockets and onto the floor during installation. My hands are small enough that I can stick them down in there to get the bearing on the rod after the piston has been stuck into the bore (but before final installation on the crank journal, obviously) so we did it that way. A little more difficult but better for the technique we were using (and definitely better given my propensity for dropping things on the floor... which is not good when building an engine! :lol:)

After each piston/rod was fully seated with the bearing on the crank journal, I installed the cap. I just snugged the nuts to finger-tight to keep the bearings in place. After all of the pistons had been installed, I went back and torqued all of the nuts to 24 ft/lbs. Take special care to ensure that the number on the rod matches up to the number on the cap.
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So, that's where the engine sits now. Bottom end is installed, lubed, and torqued to spec. I'm currently waiting on head gaskets (I figured out that the Felpro head gaskets that come with the kit are 0.047" thick and wanted some more compression out of the motor so I ordered 0.041" gaskets) and my new cam. Lunati is duplicating the old cam but with the 351W firing order. They've been a lot slower than they quoted me and I have really been having to stand on them to get the damn thing back to me. I chose them because they're known for quality work and they had a (theoretically) shorter turnaround time than Comp Cams. We'll see what the new cam is like. I hope it's good because they are pretty mad at me right now. It should be coming in tomorrow!

Til then.... guess I'll just sit around on my thumbs :shrug:
 
#3 ·
Very nice. Kind of a Christmas present for both you, and Jane.

Nice assembly, slow and careful.

Please post the cam specs when you get them. it will be good reference, especially if the engine runs hard. I would hope you have a much improved performance after all those little problems were identified and eliminated. It promises to be a ton of fun....
 
#4 ·
Next time you build one, put some rubber vacuum or fuel line over the rod studs so you don't have to worry about scratching the crank. Anyways, nice job.
 
#5 ·
Always nice to see an engine build! Thanks for sharing and in such great detail, Kelly. I think you'll find assembling your own engine is fun and very satisfying.

I decided on the same pistons. Forged pistons are a lot more money than the hypereutectic and look how long your engine went on cast pistons.

Good choice on the cam as well. Bummer Lunati is slow-rolling you, but once you get that cam, it will be great. (Nothing wrong with Comp cams, but I'm not a big fan for multiple reasons.)

Those fresh, closed chambered heads look great!

I know you tend to get bombarded with advice and suggestions, but I'll go ahead and throw just one little bone. When you go the paint the block and heads, start with some Duplicolor high-temp engine primer. You don't really need high-temp primer or paint. Shoot, you don't even really need primer. However, I've used that Duplicolor high-temp primer a lot. For rattle can primer, it's really good stuff and I find it really does make the paint job look better and last longer.

I'm subscribed so keep those pics coming and keep on having fun!
 
#6 ·
I didn't see mention of bearing clearances being checked with Plastigage before assembly. Makes me uneasy.
Might be just me, but I like to have the machine shop hone cylinders to match individually numbered pistons. Then I fit rings by hand to each individual cylinder. That's being finicky and a bit overkill when quality parts are used and consistent machine work is done. But sh*t happens. Also fitting rings to individual cylinders is a lazy shortcut to checking if the machine shop bored each cylinder to the correct size. If ring fit in a cylinder is radically different then get out the measuring tools.
Mostly I recheck every single bit of machine work done before assembly. There are engine builders I might trust to do all that correctly but I can't afford their work. Plus even the best shops tend to have at least one dumbass apprentice around.
 
#7 ·
Not sure about bearing clearances. However, the machine shop did hone the cylinders to exactly match the individual pistons.
 
#9 ·
Nice work. My only comments would be a "ditto" with Gypsy on plastigaging the bearings, checking of crankshaft end play, acid-etch and epoxy prime of the block/head exterior surfaces, brass coolant drain and freeze plugs, although I don't think I'd pull your new steel ones at this point, and degreeing the cam when it arrives and gets installed.
 
#10 ·
Very cool! I expect it on the road by Christmas so you can deliver presents with Jane!
 
#12 ·
I hope you had the wall thickness in the block checked before you sunk all that money into it!
Those early engines were notorious for core shifts in the castings.
 
#13 ·
Yes, it was sonar checked by the machine shop, though I didn't require it of them. Because I didn't bore it out (just honed) and it has been running great for 40,000+ miles, I see no reason for there to be anything wrong. This engine has always run nice and cool, with the exception of when the oil pump was failing and the cylinder sleeve was rattling around and the crank bearings were no doubt getting exceptionally worn. And even then, it only idled a little hot in summer weather :pirate:

The engine machine work was only a few hundred bucks, believe it or not. It's the heads that killed the budget!
 
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Kelly,
Thank you for posting this thread because:
a) I love SBF engine build threads
b) I like the way you write

I would have to agree here with GypsyR on checking bearing clearances with plastigage. The plastigage is not expensive and will it not take you more than a few extra hours across all the mains and rods to check the clearances which are absolutely critical. Nothing against the shop you used but mistakes are made. Also the wrong bearings end up in the wrong boxes sometimes. Please do not forgo this important verification step.

Also I had asked you in your previous thread if the machine shop had re-sized the big ends of the rods and/or installed new rod bolts but you never answered.

Keep up the good work and good luck
Paul
 
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Nice write up and pics. One other addition to the tips already given: be sure to check clearance between rods on the crank journals.

Also, making sure the thrust bearing is seated properly will avoid headaches (and possibly premature failure) down the line. Just torquing everything down doesn't accomplish it. This is a good explanation of what needs to be done and is fairly simple:

Thrust bearing failures

Just my two cents, and I wish you and Jane the best of luck!
 
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Kelly, I agree 100%. Use Plastigage now while everything's apart. Any decent parts store should have it, and it takes just minutes to do a test. On the last 289 I built, Plastigage helped me immensely--putting it together, I saw that I had way too much clearance on the crank. Turns out the builder had cut the crank too much, and had to buy us another one. I know you're on a time crunch, but it's a really, really good idea. If there's a problem, now's the time to find it, not after the engine is back together. Can't have too much insurance when you're putting something like an engine together! :)
 
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Looks like things are sailing along (knock on wood)- best wishes with the remainder of the job!

So, you drove through Texas, huh? I'm guessing you didn't drive up I-35E out of Dallas (I would think I would have heard that horn of yours going by the house :).

I think I need to find my version of Chas for when I dive into my head/intake replacement!
 
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For all those worrying about me not Plastigaging everything - I double checked with the shop, and they did mic the bearings and ensure that everything matched up and had the correct clearances. So, no worries there. I suppose I could still do it. But I probably won't. If something goes horribly awry, you all can say "I told you so" :) The thrust bearing does show signs of work on the sides though so I'm inclined to believe that they did it and were just as thorough about it as they were with the rest of the engine.

Paul - upon examination of the big end of the rod, they look like they've been worked on. Not 100% sure what you mean by resizing. Cut and turned to need larger bearings? If that's what you mean, then no, I don't believe so. But I may be wrong. I don't know everything. They do have new rod bolts though.

Pete - Yep, I live in Austin now so I've gotta get Jane out there! You haven't heard Jane's horn yet because we haven't hit Texas yet... I'm sure you'll probably hear it at some point in time though ;) I've been considering going to Dallas for the Good Guys spring show so there will be many opportunities for embarrassing moments then! I've reached the conclusion that everyone needs a Chas or needs to BE a Chas for other younger/less knowledgeable people. I'm very lucky to have found someone who's willing to show me how it's done.
 
#24 ·
The thrust bearing does show signs of work on the sides though so I'm inclined to believe that they did it and were just as thorough about it as they were with the rest of the engine..
Yeah like almost missing the badly sleeved cylinder.... ;)
 
#25 ·
A large proportion of the old small block Ford rods that have been through my hands tend to be egg-shaped on the big end. All that banging up and down tends to "stretch" out the opening. As a matter of course I always measure them to be sure they are round. If not, the shop shaves the ends down to make the opening smaller and then rebores the opening to the stock size. Restoring the opening to the original roundness.
And I'm pretty sure not one soul here wants to say "I told you so". We want to see you rollin.
The odds are very much on the side of the bearing clearances being fine. It's pretty rare that they aren't. But I have seen three different sized bearings used in one rebuilt engine. Cough-Jasper-cough. There's only one way to know that this extraordinarily important part of the engine rebuild is correct.
Bet you about anything the last builder of your engine didn't check the bearing clearances.
 
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"......And I'm pretty sure not one soul here wants to say "I told you so". We want to see you rollin....."

".....There's only one way to know that this extraordinarily important part of the engine rebuild is correct....".
Right on Gypsey. Rolling, not pointing fingers, is where it's at.

The beauty of the plastigage system of checking clearances is that you are checking it TOTALLY ASSEMBLED and not relying on measuring the journals then measuring the rods and hoping you got the micrometer tension right in the process.

Anyway, it's cheap insurance, and dare I say it, a FUN process..

Z
 
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over the years I have done $11k SBF's and I've done PAW (are they still around) driveway SBF rebuilds for under a grand. It's amazing what you can get wrong and the thing will still run for many 10s of thousands of miles. By the same token, you can overlook the wrong thing and its a rod knock or wiped cam lobe. You'll never know which camp you're in unless you check every-bleepin-thing. But you'll probably be alright. And SBF's are not that expensive if you really end up needing a mulligan. My air cooled Porsche turbo motor rebuild could cost $25k+ all-in... at those altitudes you can bet everything gets checked.
 
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289 build

Kelly, my guess is your rods' big ends have been done exactly as Gypsy describes. When the rod has an ovaled out big end, the rod and cap are clipped, just a tiny amount, which makes the inside diameter too small and not round any more. Then you hone out the now too small opening to just the right size and perfectly round. The outside diameter of the new rod bearings will be the same as stock.

if you had them done where I'm working, it would cost about 20 $ per rod, and we'd call it re-sizing.

Can I ask what makes you think the oilpump failed/ was failing ? Oilpumps almost never fail. Relief valves have been know to get stuck open, however. And what pump is Jane's new engine going to receive ? Oilpan ? LSG
 
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Kelly, my guess is your rods' big ends have been done exactly as Gypsy describes. When the rod has an ovaled out big end, the rod and cap are clipped, just a tiny amount, which makes the inside diameter too small and not round any more. Then you hone out the now too small opening to just the right size and perfectly round. The outside diameter of the new rod bearings will be the same as stock.

if you had them done where I'm working, it would cost about 20 $ per rod, and we'd call it re-sizing.

Can I ask what makes you think the oilpump failed/ was failing ? Oilpumps almost never fail. Relief valves have been know to get stuck open, however. And what pump is Jane's new engine going to receive ? Oilpan ? LSG
I'd guess that's the case. The big end of the rod does look honed to me (or at least they've done something to it) and I doubt they'd just do that "just because". But, who knows, maybe they did a really great job and took care of everything else but then went "meh" for the rods. I doubt that's the case as when they got the engine they were told "make it right and make it perfect, and nevermind the cost" :) I'm not going to bother them about it either way. The car will be running by Christmas so whatever the engine's got is what it's going to have for the next 150,000 miles or until I blow it up again.

The old oil pump was a high volume unit. Over the past 6,000 miles or so leading to its ultimate demise, it has intermittently presented with low oil pressure. Where pressure at highway speeds would normally be 60 psi or so, it would drop to 40psi and rebound... or it would drop to 20psi and rebound... never did drop entirely though. I left it alone because it didn't occur to me that an oil pump wouldn't go bad all at once so I assumed that it was just the gauge acting up (it wasn't). By the time I got home to NC, it was not inclined to stay anywhere above 25psi. Lesson learned on that one.

Anyways, when we took it apart later the insides were completely scored all to hell (dozens of scratches you could easily feel) and the shaft was really difficult to turn. Not quite frozen up but certainly not operating correctly. I still have no idea what it ate to ruin it like that, because whenever I do an oil change I run a strong magnet through the old oil to check for metal shavings (paranoia). I've never come up with any kind of metal flakes. :shrug: Wish I could get my camera to take a good pic of the inside of the oil pump but no luck so far.

The new oil pump is a standard volume Melling. Standard oil pan, new pickup, new ARP hardened pump drive shaft. Should be just fine!

Gypsy - the last builder of my engine definitely didn't check bearing clearances! But then again, the last person to install the crank and bearings might have been an employee of good ole FoMoCo. Unknown and I'll never know.

Just doing what I can now to make sure that I finish this car in time to take her to Texas with me. If I don't finish the build in time, I will not see my car again until June.
 
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289 build

Kelly, it sounds as if Jane's pump didn't fail, it died from contamination. What kind of oil were you running in her ?

The STD pump is okay, I prefer the HV, but not everyone wants that. And with a fresh grind on the crank, you should be fine with STD.

What about the oilpan, though ? Yeah, the stock pans are okay..........but some of those aftermarket pans are REALLY nice. I went with a Canton 15-630S. It is a front sump, stock depth, 8 or 9 quart pan. SO, turning left, turning right, climbing a steep grade under full throttle, or standing on the brakes, you still have plenty of oil supply, no matter what. Jane could take the same pan.

Lastly, do you have the right oil to keep Jane's flattappet camshaft happy ? Oil with lots of ZDDP in it ? The oil most places sell, intended for new cars, is NOT good enough for those of us with old iron.
LSG
 
#32 ·
Kelly, it sounds as if Jane's pump didn't fail, it died from contamination. What kind of oil were you running in her ?

The STD pump is okay, I prefer the HV, but not everyone wants that. And with a fresh grind on the crank, you should be fine with STD.

What about the oilpan, though ? Yeah, the stock pans are okay..........but some of those aftermarket pans are REALLY nice. I went with a Canton 15-630S. It is a front sump, stock depth, 8 or 9 quart pan. SO, turning left, turning right, climbing a steep grade under full throttle, or standing on the brakes, you still have plenty of oil supply, no matter what. Jane could take the same pan.

Lastly, do you have the right oil to keep Jane's flattappet camshaft happy ? Oil with lots of ZDDP in it ? The oil most places sell, intended for new cars, is NOT good enough for those of us with old iron.
LSG
To go along with LSG's suggestions.... although I believe the standard volume pump is more than adequate for a SBF...is the recommendation of the reproduction B302 baffled oil pan which keeps oil around the pickup screen and only increases capacity by a quart. Also, use a magnetic drain plug to help identify if you have any pieces of parts coming loose. On the "oil front", look for oil with an API Classification of "SJ" or older which will have in excess of 1,000ppm of zinc and phosphorous. Also, did you elect to have your new cam nitrided?
 
#31 ·
FWIW, another "tip" that has a reasonable return on investment is to have your machine shop re-drill and tap your mains for 351W main cap bolts. The SBF uses a 7/16" cap bolt. The 351W uses a 1/2" cap bolt. This change, combined with using new ARP fasteners, raises the clamping force at the cap from around 12,000 lbs to about 19,000 lbs, or an increase of about 160%. This goes a long way toward preventing "cap walk" as the forces on the mains stretch the bolts which increases the clearance between the bearings and crank and can lead to acute oil starvation.